Blondin Linden's Zindra Office Hours July 12 2010

[11:02] Zada Bury: what? we have an agenda? mark red in calender ...

[11:02] Lias Leandros: We have been discussing the same thing for two months

[11:02] Ginette Pinazzo: I have 3 items I canb pout on an agenda, if we have one

[11:02] Forceme Silverspar: The wholke Zindra community includes visitors which prolly wont be a tier payer

[11:03] Lias Leandros: visitors as community also? Ok then sounds good

[11:03] Zada Bury: (( btw .. what's that for a noise around?? ))

[11:03] Bady Boozehound: greeter from neighbour parcel

[11:03] Saxoni Fenstalker: ahh it stopped

[11:03] Blondin Linden: what would YOU like to accomplish Edge

[11:03] Blondin Linden: that seems like a good place to start

[11:04] Blondin Linden: nothin?

[11:04] Lias Leandros: lol

[11:05] Edge Catteneo: Decide what to do with the Zindra sim to use it as an intro to the continent

[11:05] Lias Leandros: Well Blondin you told us all to go look at the mall on Zindra Sim

[11:05] Ginette Pinazzo: I have 3 tthings!

[11:05] Ginette Pinazzo: (holds up 3 fingers)

[11:05] Lias Leandros: hi Alicia

[11:05] xstorm Radek: wow this meeting has a good turnout

[11:05] Nina Revnik: huhu Fragglechen

[11:05] Blondin Linden: ok. Lets talk about the Zindra Sim

[11:05] Alicia Mureaux: Hi everyone

[11:05] Edge Catteneo: I refer to Ginette

[11:05] Forceme Silverspar: I think the mall is brill! Looks fabby.

[11:05] Edge Catteneo: Hello Alicia

[11:06] Lias Leandros: Qie and I have been busy this weekend developing a full scale mock up of what Zindra Sim could look like when incorporating everyone's ideas and the Mall also

[11:06] Ginette Pinazzo: blondin..it needsa force Landing Point....no? so peopel can land at the welcome point, the map, etc

[11:06] xstorm Radek: must be do to all the sex people think they are going to get after

[11:06] Zada Bury: (( oh .. coce-machine or such an aartifical avatar from the neighbors make that soud ... ))

[11:06] Qie Niangao: okay, Blondin, I *hate* the mall as it stands, but I like the builds inside it

[11:06] Clovis Luik: Hi Couldbe

[11:06] Zada Bury: I agree with Qie, this point

[11:06] Lias Leandros: the Mall by itself on Zindra Sim seems to deliberately lowering the un-used land into the water so no other builds can be placed there sucessfully

[11:06] Innula Zenovka: i think it would be a good idea if the bit you arrive on when you tp there from the map were not set as phantom, Blondin

[11:07] Blondin Linden: well, we keep calling it a mall and Im not sure that term is really accurate at this point. I think for now its just a structure.

[11:07] Ginette Pinazzo: a nice clean geenric civil structure

[11:07] Edge Catteneo: Can we spen the last hal hour at the build to discuss it?

[11:07] Forceme Silverspar: I think the water makes it look special... I like it.

[11:07] Forceme Silverspar: I like space.

[11:07] Qie Niangao: well, the structure is a bunch of stores, Blondin... otherwise they don't make any sense at all

[11:07] Zada Bury: also the position of the whole struktore is .. not good - if you want see it all, you get massive LAG becasue other "not realy lag freindly buildins" are close

[11:07] Lias Leandros: the water is AROUND it - it should not be in the center of it

[11:07] Saxoni Fenstalker: I like the space too

[11:07] Innula Zenovka: i know when we started people using the map to TP to Zindra ended up in the water.,but i thought the idea behind changing the names was to stop that happening

[11:08] Forceme Silverspar: I think it should be. It looks effective.

[11:08] Lias Leandros: most malls build AT the road so they get traffic

[11:08] Lias Leandros: creating a deliberate moat blocking road access seems odd

[11:08] Saxoni Fenstalker: except that we can fly

[11:08] Forceme Silverspar: It's not a sim people walk to other places to.

[11:08] Ginette Pinazzo: I agree Force

[11:08] Forceme Silverspar: They fly or TP or whatever

[11:08] Lias Leandros: The road access is available and it helps

[11:08] Ginette Pinazzo: the poitn is to get them to see the map and read about Zindra and leave ASAP to explore

[11:08] Lias Leandros: to block it seems like bad planning

[11:09] Qie Niangao: Forceme, they sure as hell won't be walking anywhere with this design

[11:09] Blondin Linden: well, access itself is mostly going to be from people looking for the Zindra continent, not really those walking around. They search ZINDRA on the map, TP and land in the building.

[11:09] Forceme Silverspar: It's a delivery point into Zindra.... that's all.

[11:09] Lias Leandros: Ginette how do we getthem to Zindra Sim to see the map?

[11:09] Ginette Pinazzo: blodin..to that point.......

[11:09] Ginette Pinazzo: blondin..it needsa force Landing Point....no? so peopel can land at the welcome point, the map, etc

[11:09] Innula Zenovka: well, they land in the river, Blondin.. Couldbe and I can vouch for that

[11:09] Blondin Linden: Isnt the landing poin on zindra set?

[11:09] Blondin Linden: Ginette, I could be worng, but I thought that I already did that

[11:09] Ginette Pinazzo: the LP is not cortrect, no..its in the ocean or whatever..it needs to be where the info is

[11:10] Lias Leandros: There is nothing in place to get people to even know that Zindra Sim is there

[11:10] Blondin Linden: ok.

[11:10] Blondin Linden: Let me go run and do that real quick

[11:10] Forceme Silverspar: The LP is not correct but it won't take much to mend that.

[11:10] Lias Leandros: we dont meet here to set up malls only the adult verified will access

[11:10] Zada Bury: why not we make a field trip there?

[11:10] Ginette Pinazzo: lias.....you repeat liek a robot....the point first ius to correct LL'sd name mixup....we need to amke sure that is working first

[11:10] Lias Leandros: we meet to plan ways to get around the search firewall we are behind

[11:11] Qie Niangao: I *really* want to fix the terraforming on that sim before the clusterfuck that's there now becomes accepted. It's hideous, even if the only thing on the sim was to be that mall.

[11:11] Forceme Silverspar: I think we need to focus on the content - map, useful info etc - of that LP rather than focus on what is beyond the LP.

[11:11] Edge Catteneo: How about at 11:30 we all go there?

[11:11] Ginette Pinazzo: I agree, Force...we cannot lose dight of the actual purpose

[11:12] Ginette Pinazzo: *sight

[11:12] xstorm Radek: Tisk Tisk Tisk i have to come to a sim just to abuse report a sound spammer

[11:12] Lias Leandros: the purpose is to get people to Zindra - not make a malllanding point that only the adult verified see

[11:12] Lias Leandros: Hello Ciaran

[11:12] Ginette Pinazzo: no lias...as usual, yoi miss it...the purpose first is to correct a name-mixup....

[11:12] Forceme Silverspar: Having stuff beyond the landing zone - will nto encourage more people to get to ZIndra.

[11:12] Alicia Mureaux: if the mall was all around the *bay* that was created I can see the extra water but if not then it does server little purpose

[11:12] Lias Leandros: Name mix up?

[11:12] Blondin Linden: ok.

[11:12] Edge Catteneo: Welcome bacl Blondin

[11:13] Lias Leandros: that sim has beennamed Zindra for a year

[11:13] Blondin Linden: take a look at the landing point

[11:13] Innula Zenovka: since it's on Zindra, no who is not adult verified has much chance of seeing it

[11:13] xstorm Radek: spamming of sound that harrasts others is not nice

[11:13] Lias Leandros: and I saw no discussion in any transcript about changing the name in the last 6 months

[11:13] Ginette Pinazzo: yes lias...and as you seem to forget...that naming is what causes the issue we cvame to dioscuss initially

[11:13] Innula Zenovka: no one, sorry

[11:13] Blondin Linden: oh nuts

[11:13] Blondin Linden: still no

[11:13] Couldbe Yue: Blodnin are you supposed to be a woman with stubble or are you just ruthed to me

[11:13] Ginette Pinazzo: but why waste time re-explaining a basic thing

[11:13] Lias Leandros: the last two months we have been sending out proposals about a community build AND the Mall on the sim of Zindra

[11:13] Blondin Linden: I is who I is

[11:13] Qie Niangao: well, that's just it, Alicia: the way the surrounding sims constrain the edges, adding that artificial moat in the middle makes the whole rest of the sim so steep it's unusable for much of anything else.

[11:14] Lias Leandros: Qie's map was a nice addition 3 weeks ago

[11:14] Forceme Silverspar: There is no need fo rthere to be anythng else.

[11:14] Ginette Pinazzo: and some of us have activelky opposed yoru desigsn on that sim, lias...and instead would rather focus on effective marketing....that sim is a damage control issue

[11:14] Forceme Silverspar: How big do you need a map and info points?

[11:14] Lias Leandros: not for you - but others have other ideas

[11:14] Lias Leandros: any addition to that mall wont take away from anyone

[11:14] Xaria Mistwallow: damn, its about time this tp was working =\

[11:14] Ginette Pinazzo: so just because you keep proposing the same thing over and over, does nto means its the status quo

[11:15] Lias Leandros: we have a mall in the rail station also

[11:15] Lias Leandros: and its very nice

[11:15] Forceme Silverspar: Yes it will.... it will take away the water

[11:15] Qie Niangao: but there *could* be other things... we know from Luna Oaks experience that a standalone lottery mall generates almost zero traffic... there *must* be more, or we should just plant the sim to marijuana and call it a day.

[11:15] Lias Leandros: but it does nothing to increase wareness of Zindra

[11:15] Alicia Mureaux: poppy might bring more revenue Qui

[11:15] Ginette Pinazzo: if you want to talk real marketing, we can do that....but that sim is not the way.....its affect woiudl be negligable

[11:15] Lias Leandros: If Bay City can have a community sim that they plan marketing events on then so can Zindra

[11:15] Blondin Linden: for some reason its not sticking

[11:16] Lias Leandros: it doesnt effect anyone that does not want to put in the time and effort

[11:16] Blondin Linden: Ill have someone do it

[11:16] Blondin Linden: :)

[11:16] Blondin Linden: but thats a good catch. THanks

[11:16] Forceme Silverspar: Yeah we do have that... we have four sims, if I udnerstand correctly.

[11:16] Lias Leandros: I always market my business as best as I can since 2005

[11:16] Bady Boozehound: I think we are not here to rise the traffic for the Zindra sim ... just to show people who land there by accident that there is more

[11:16] Lias Leandros: I dont pass on opportunities

[11:16] Ginette Pinazzo: yes Force..that is where our convo shoudl be headed...real marketing opportunitiues

[11:16] Forceme Silverspar nods

[11:16] Lias Leandros: I took one of my hoesteads this weekend and worked with Qie to build what we have been discussing for the last two months

[11:16] xstorm Radek: is there any more griefers items around ?

[11:16] Blondin Linden: ok. Landing Point will be taken care of. Whats next

[11:17] Blondin Linden: :)

[11:17] Forceme Silverspar: These four sims Blondin....

[11:17] Ginette Pinazzo: blondin...you said last time we coudl present proposals fpor the Expo Island.....are yoiu able to accept those in soem form today? for any who have brought them?

[11:17] Xaria Mistwallow: besides around the Doc Team office...

[11:17] Ciaran Laval: hoestead? Nice typo Lias :p

[11:17] Saxoni Fenstalker: marketing ideas for those 4 sims

[11:17] xstorm Radek: or is that the only one ?

[11:17] Qie Niangao: okay, maybe we need two meetings, or at least two separate topics. folks who want to worry about the Expo events, and folks who want to worry about the Zindra sim.

[11:17] Blondin Linden: sure

[11:17] Lias Leandros: Blondin we discussed community build AND mall on the sim of Zindra - with that moat there thats not possible at this point

[11:17] Xaria Mistwallow: a lot of griefer material and clutter hanging around that area

[11:17] Ginette Pinazzo: what form, blondin? pas syou a NC?

[11:17] Lias Leandros: will that moat be moved so we can collaborate on the sim?

[11:17] Xaria Mistwallow: i keep poking LL but so far no one even bothering to clean up

[11:17] Blondin Linden: I can multitask Qie :)

[11:18] Ginette Pinazzo: a man that can multitask? gets the news!

[11:18] Blondin Linden: Xaria - where the expo islands?

[11:18] Xaria Mistwallow: no, around the old help island area

[11:18] Xaria Mistwallow: i was just there

[11:18] Blondin Linden: which one?

[11:18] Xaria Mistwallow: a massive junk pile it is now

[11:18] Xaria Mistwallow: euhm... lemme look on map

[11:18] Xaria Mistwallow: for correct name

[11:18] Blondin Linden: if your using V2, you can check your Teleport history

[11:18] Blondin Linden: :)

[11:19] Blondin Linden: ....just sayin

[11:19] Couldbe Yue: go on, name one other good thing about it

[11:19] Xaria Mistwallow: lol, i crashed a lot today, isnt in there i guess

[11:19] Innula Zenovka: and Alt H if you're using Emerald

[11:19] Ginette Pinazzo: blondin...is there a way to havwe a system in place where Zindrans can leave proposals ina public way...so that anyone can read them?

[11:19] Blondin Linden: the location bar will auto fill from places you have LMs too :)

[11:19] Xaria Mistwallow: Levenhall, Beaymont, Grasmere (kate's island)

[11:19] Lias Leandros: its called a forum:-)

[11:20] Ginette Pinazzo: I am thinking inworld

[11:20] Xaria Mistwallow: those sims are the worst there with clutter and griefer material

[11:20] Blondin Linden: well Ginette, if you want to rez them on a prim (Media on a PRim) I'll let you leave them dusplayed here

[11:20] Blondin Linden: those are Linden areas?

[11:20] Ginette Pinazzo: ok blondin

[11:20] Xaria Mistwallow: Pooley and Waterhead are once again a lag hell, Pooley itself has currently a resident/bot doing group invites

[11:20] Blondin Linden: Yeah Pooley needs help

[11:21] Blondin Linden: :)

[11:21] Xaria Mistwallow: that is linden area

[11:21] Forceme Silverspar: Hang on... what happens when proposals are made public?

[11:21] Forceme Silverspar: Is the idea that they are agreed on? Voted for?

[11:21] Xaria Mistwallow: those areas were the first in SL to my knowlage

[11:21] Blondin Linden: I assume Forceme, its jsut a way to make it public

[11:21] Ginette Pinazzo: then everyone can read them, Force..since we cant use notices in the group, etc

[11:21] Forceme Silverspar: Just to share info?

[11:21] Blondin Linden: so everyone can see. share info

[11:21] Forceme Silverspar: Yeah, but then what?

[11:21] Blondin Linden: good question :)

[11:22] Xaria Mistwallow: if i could forceport you, i would have done so already blonding ;)

[11:22] Xaria Mistwallow: <<>>

[11:22] Blondin Linden: would there be a way to leave comments?

[11:22] Forceme Silverspar: Yes, get opinions thenn what?

[11:22] Forceme Silverspar: Do we just go over there and set up?

[11:22] Blondin Linden: discuss

[11:22] Forceme Silverspar: So we need agreement?

[11:23] Blondin Linden: I think the best way would be to come as close as possible to an agreement and then let me take it and sell it internally

[11:23] Forceme Silverspar: Say like I was gonna do an event... I write a proposal? And some people like it some don't....

[11:23] Edge Catteneo: We need a process

[11:23] Lias Leandros: proposal to do an event where?

[11:23] Blondin Linden: say.."This is waht they want to do, how can we get this done, who are the stakeholders"

[11:23] Innula Zenovka: take them under cognisance.. that's what you do with opinions..

[11:23] Lias Leandros: in the moat on Zindra?

[11:23] Forceme Silverspar: Right OK.

[11:23] Ciaran Laval: How far have Qie and Lias got with their homestead project?

[11:23] Ginette Pinazzo: did anyone not read my seasonal proposal, I wrote weeks ago.....I recently updatedc it, a tiyn bit

[11:23] Lias Leandros: Blondin, since the Zindra sim was only made available to the DPW toplace an example of their mall - Qie and I placed a collaborative example that included the mall on another sim for discussion http://slurl.com/secondlife/Adult%20Community%20Center/129/128/23

[11:23] Forceme Silverspar: No Lias, on the four sims.

[11:24] Ginette Pinazzo: we are talking abotu the Island lias....keep up

[11:24] Xaria Mistwallow: Blondin, see your IM please

[11:24] Forceme Silverspar: I did Ginette.

[11:24] Lias Leandros: How did we get back to taking over 4 sims?

[11:24] Forceme Silverspar: Hmm, not sure that's gone away, Lias.

[11:24] Lias Leandros: The best marketing opportunity is to hold these community marketing events on a sim named Zindra

[11:24] Ginette Pinazzo: you sleep through wahts not yoru ideas, I guess, lias.....theisland proposals

[11:25] Forceme Silverspar: Great - you focus on the moat Lias, I will focus on the four sims.

[11:25] Lias Leandros: I mean, the annual Expo is always a good thing - as was COunter's Unzipped

[11:25] Blondin Linden: lets play nice ladies

[11:25] Lias Leandros: But for the last two months we have been discussing the sim of Zindra

[11:25] Forceme Silverspar: Lovely, you carry on discussing the moat.

[11:25] Lias Leandros: We can, of course, have many agenda items

[11:25] Forceme Silverspar: I will keep busy doing other things.

[11:25] Ginette Pinazzo: if anyone else needs to read my proposed 'process'...just ask...its simple...anyone can pitch an event idea for the island witha few basci criteria being met

[11:25] Couldbe Yue: we have been discussing that sim since around august 2009..

[11:25] Edge Catteneo: I think we are talking about to many sunjects all at ones and things are getting mixed up.

[11:25] Ciaran Laval: I feel like I'm in a timewarp, weren't you discussing this nine months ago?

[11:26] Lias Leandros: And for those that feel a 4 sim commitment issomething they want to get into thats great

[11:26] Couldbe Yue: I think a private consortium is a great idea

[11:26] Xaria Mistwallow: btw blondin, great new look!

[11:26] Ginette Pinazzo: teh FACT that youve been discusisng that sim for so many monthsn woith no action proves you are on the wroing track..its not the prime marekting opportunikty....

[11:26] Lias Leandros: But focusing on a ready-made marketing opportunity like a sim named Zindra on the contimnenet of Zindra seems more rational

[11:26] Couldbe Yue: and that zindra should be left as a basic info hub/ shopping precinct

[11:26] Forceme Silverspar: Go for it Lias!

[11:26] Saxoni Fenstalker: I agree COuldbe

[11:27] Lias Leandros: Ginette you are late to the bargainingtable - we just got the glow trurned off the lights in the street after a year

[11:27] Ginette Pinazzo: blondin...shoudl I outline my proposal since a notecard is so unwieldy?

[11:27] Couldbe Yue: it may be off the street lights but the kerbs still have it

[11:27] Ginette Pinazzo: Lis...you have been too late from the start...you have been wrong on this and now it can be fixed

[11:27] Forceme Silverspar: I will get my proposal up public and emailed to you Blondin.

[11:27] Qie Niangao: so do both. but those enamored of the Expo should not dump all over the prospects for the Zindra sim, and vice versa

[11:27] Bady Boozehound: Ok all, i have to go. Let me leave with my words i already shared while visiting the Zindra building: I think if we are able to use the expo island for community use (whatever that may be), we should keep Zindra clean besides the welcome area. For a nice lag free experience where every new visitor gets all important information about the continent.

[11:27] Lias Leandros: If someone wants to run 4 sims for free all year then more power to them

[11:28] Bady Boozehound: Happy fun time everyone :-)

[11:28] Edge Catteneo: Ginette please outline your proposal

[11:28] Innula Zenovka: see you, Bady

[11:28] Saxoni Fenstalker: ahh...I didnt think the glow was completely gone

[11:28] Saxoni Fenstalker: Bye Bady

[11:28] Clovis Luik: bye bady

[11:28] Lias Leandros: Well Saxoni some went away:-)

[11:28] Ginette Pinazzo: Ill try not to be too cut and paste..Ill cut to the bascis....

[11:28] Alicia Mureaux: the only other addition I could see being useful is a walkway from the oritz infohub to Zindra, that sim would be best served as an information area and not a final destination sim, we want people to get out and move away from it, not linger

[11:28] Blondin Linden: I would like it to be a bit more functional than an Infohub. People get sent to an infohub as a redirct from failed teleports or down regions. THe Zindra sim should be about those who opt into it and have decided that they want to visit it but not know where to start. It should be Zindra specific stuff, rather than the basics they have at Arapaima or Gilda

[11:29] Couldbe Yue: I did wonder if arapaima was around

[11:29] Couldbe Yue: ok then what do you suggest? in the present form there's not a lot of land left to do anything much

[11:29] Ginette Pinazzo: it woudl be great to evolve it that way Blondin

[11:30] Qie Niangao: there are actually like 4 or 5 clones of Arapaima now, to handle all the avatars crashing into Adult.

[11:30] Blondin Linden: it is. I just want to be sure that everyone knows theres a difference before we start refering to it an an infohub )

[11:30] Blondin Linden: yes there are Qie

[11:30] Couldbe Yue: then what shall we call it?

[11:30] Lias Leandros: Infohub?

[11:30] Blondin Linden: three i think

[11:30] Couldbe Yue: it's not a welcome area - or can we call it that

[11:30] Xaria Mistwallow: it aint

[11:30] Xaria Mistwallow: welcome area is a CG

[11:30] Couldbe Yue: although i keep thinking of ahern and cringe lol

[11:30] Blondin Linden: well, just b/c it is one thing doesnt mean we cant brand it another

[11:31] Lias Leandros: who are we welcoming?

[11:31] Lias Leandros: A mall and Kisok in no way addresses the search firewall issue

[11:31] Alicia Mureaux: noooo don't make it into Ahern or Korea

[11:31] Xaria Mistwallow: infohub is basically a place people can 'set home' to, much like a CG, but without the newbies

[11:31] Edge Catteneo: Could we call it a gateway sim?

[11:31] Innula Zenovka: people who've looked for Zindra on the map, i guess, Lias

[11:31] Xaria Mistwallow: and without many griefers for that matter

[11:31] Couldbe Yue: now i like the idea of people being able to set their home point to zindra

[11:32] Xaria Mistwallow: no, it doesnt work as gateway

[11:32] Blondin Linden: lais, the functionality of search is a bit beyond the scope of what we are talking about here. THough I can assure you people are woking on it

[11:32] Lias Leandros: but those folks are already adult verified Innula

[11:32] Xaria Mistwallow: it's basically a normal sim

[11:32] Lias Leandros: the issue is the traffic we do NOT get

[11:32] Xaria Mistwallow: just works semi like a CG

[11:32] Lias Leandros: If we just build a mall and a park bench then we arent addressing any of Zindra's issues

[11:33] Edge Catteneo: Lias what in your opinion is our most pressing issue?

[11:33] Innula Zenovka: Anything that's built on the whole continent of Zindra will, by definition, only be accessable to people who're account verified and who've turned adult on in their preferences, Lias..

[11:33] Lias Leandros: The search firewall that lowers our new user traffic

[11:33] Lias Leandros: no Innula

[11:34] Blondin Linden: Innula is corect

[11:34] Blondin Linden: correct

[11:34] Ginette Pinazzo: I am ready weith my outline ..if anyoen is ready to take a break from Zindra Sim

[11:34] Innula Zenovka: Thank you, Blondin

[11:34] Ciaran Laval: Which is still a silly policy

[11:34] Lias Leandros: the events on the simof Zindra will be PG and able to be advertised to non verified people outside of Zindra in Infohubs

[11:34] Xaria Mistwallow: Zindra may need it's on CG for those that want to go there directly

[11:34] Saxoni Fenstalker: people still wont get to them if they arent age verified tho

[11:34] Edge Catteneo: Blondin what kind of information does a new user get about adult verification?

[11:34] Couldbe Yue: well we're stuck with it. I'd be happy with them just allowing multi rating use here

[11:34] Xaria Mistwallow: then you will take away traffic of newbies asking for sex in many PG zones like Pooley for example

[11:35] Lias Leandros: Xaria when the gateway programlaunched LL said they would not support an adult Gateway

[11:35] Blondin Linden: Thats not gunna happen Lias. Its surrounded by Adult Land

[11:35] Xaria Mistwallow: Lias: proofs they need to if they want PG zones clean of newbies wanting sex

[11:35] Innula Zenovka: Blondin, you mentioned some time ago plans to raise people's awareness of Adult Content, and I think you intimated you might do something to make new residents conscious of the advantages of verifying their accounts... including, of course, being able to visit the whatever it is on the Zindra sim

[11:35] Blondin Linden: we cant change the maturity rating of the ZIndra sim

[11:35] Lias Leandros: Blondin I advertise my events at my PG land and then people go there and adult verify and come to the event

[11:35] Lias Leandros: it happens every day

[11:35] Ciaran Laval: I still don't know why you won't let people search for adult, they'd still have to verify to get here, it greatly hampers reach and visibility by closing it off

[11:36] Lias Leandros: And if it 'ain't gonna happen' then we need to get a plan together to address the search firewall that makes it necessary for us to have these meetings

[11:36] Xaria Mistwallow: dayly Ll gets flooded with messages about people in PG zones wanting sex and not getting the hint of bugging off. So LL needs to rethink that point

[11:36] Lias Leandros: we arent mall marketing staff

[11:36] Blondin Linden: Lias, I thought you were advocating the cahnging of the maturity rating. Apologies

[11:36] Lias Leandros: oh no

[11:37] Xaria Mistwallow: either keep the work of kicking out the newbies wanting sex, or allow a CG to be created for Zindra

[11:37] Xaria Mistwallow: that simple

[11:37] Innula Zenovka: any progress on making new accounts aware of why they might want to verify themselves?

[11:37] Couldbe Yue: I went to svarga a month or so ago and saw lots of newbies and I had a 100% proposition rate from those newbs who stopped to talk to me ugh

[11:37] Lias Leandros: lol Innula

[11:38] Xaria Mistwallow: do need to add a option on the sing in form that leads DIRECTLY to Zindra CG then

[11:38] Xaria Mistwallow: (on/off switch basically)

[11:38] Lias Leandros: I would like to hear Ginette's proposal about doing events year round on 4 sims and calling them 'expo' something

[11:38] Innula Zenovka: you are just irresistible, Couldbe

[11:38] Ginette Pinazzo: last call: ill put away my outlien and go back to work on a real marketi8ng campaign if no one is too serious about marketing

[11:38] Lias Leandros: that at least addresses the search forewall issue I assume

[11:38] Couldbe Yue: lol I've been called many things but never that Innula lol

[11:38] Alicia Mureaux: is there mention when someone becomes premium that they are now verified to visit adult sims?

[11:38] Lias Leandros: as long as thsese events areant all FemDom and X rated

[11:38] Ginette Pinazzo: my proposla has been out there for weeks...no one reads..hahah

[11:38] Forceme Silverspar: I read it.

[11:39] Ginette Pinazzo: lias..you have no idea what you are talking about....as per usual.....sitr while I outline

[11:39] Couldbe Yue: Blondin, about this secret new plan to raise our profile????

[11:39] Lias Leandros: Sorry Ginette I didnt see it

[11:39] Xaria Mistwallow: it is possible to verify age directly by sign in form

[11:39] Blondin Linden: Innula, to your comment before, plans for the Adult Landing page are stil going on and in fact, I think its almost done.

[11:39] Ginette Pinazzo: Force reads...I know that

[11:39] Lias Leandros: I saw the graphic proposals that Zada and Qie put out

[11:39] Couldbe Yue: a landing page?? from where?

[11:39] Innula Zenovka: good. that is very encouraging news, Blondin.. thank you

[11:39] Edge Catteneo: Adult landing page?

[11:39] Ginette Pinazzo: you didnt see it lias because it wasnt yours...pluis you LIE because you did see it because you commendted on it

[11:39] Xaria Mistwallow: seee, needs to be done :p

[11:39] Innula Zenovka: what, though, is an Adult landing page?

[11:40] Blondin Linden: Ginette, lets play nicely please

[11:40] Edge Catteneo: Yes what is an adult landing page?

[11:40] Ginette Pinazzo: I can work nicely with those who are adults..but I am not hear to play with children...sorry

[11:40] Ciaran Laval: What on earth is the big beef about, we need the Zindra sim to be informative, people have heard for Zindra, they'll search for it

[11:40] Ginette Pinazzo: I will not be lied to in public

[11:41] Couldbe Yue: have you ever ejected someone from a sim Blondin? it's fun to watch them fly across the sky and out of view.. somedays it gives great satisfaction

[11:41] Lias Leandros: I never heard any proposal to use the 4 sims from the expo year round

[11:41] Lias Leandros: But a 4 sim commitment is a rough one

[11:41] Ginette Pinazzo: thats starneg lias, since you told me it was acute idea after you 9supposedly) read it

[11:41] Edge Catteneo: it is ok Ginette. We need your input and we are listening to you and considering your ideas

[11:41] Blondin Linden: Couldbe, if you have to ask me that , then your not up to date on your SL7B gossip

[11:41] Blondin Linden: :)

[11:41] Innula Zenovka: how about, if you search for zindra and you're not verified/don't have your preferences right, you get a page telling you what to do to come here?

[11:41] Innula Zenovka: or is that what you meant?

[11:42] Couldbe Yue: you guys didn't invite me to the press preview this year so I just returned the indifference

[11:42] Blondin Linden: ok. Lets reset the conversation back to the ZIndra sim. And next week, we'll spend 30 minutes on the Zindra sim and 30 minutes talking about the expo regions

[11:42] Innula Zenovka: or even if you search for BDSM or something else that triggers the adult filter

[11:42] Blondin Linden: sound good?

[11:42] Xaria Mistwallow: For the Linden Village it self, I really think a specialiced team of both Lindens as Residents need to have some OH's about that topic. Talking about how to solve the prolem with griefers and even what to do with the place. It's very outdated there and clearly with the many Linden's getting fired there are a lot of spots free now. Making the Linden Village a little obsolete for it's current task.

[11:42] Lias Leandros: hehe

[11:42] Lias Leandros: Blondion can we spend 10 minutes on the mock up of what the Zindra sim could be also?

[11:43] Edge Catteneo: Ok Zindra sim

[11:43] Lias Leandros: some resident's have been working on it

[11:43] Forceme Silverspar: I would like one minute at the end, please.

[11:43] Lias Leandros: its a sim named 'Adult Community Center' I had rezzed justto test build for Zindra Sim

[11:43] Blondin Linden: Im afriad you're going to be disappointed Lias b/c Im inclided to keep the stucture as is

[11:43] Qie Niangao: oh fuck me

[11:43] Forceme Silverspar: Yay! Fab stuff!

[11:43] Lias Leandros: Blondin I knew that weeks ago

[11:43] Xaria Mistwallow: no thanks Qie ;)

[11:44] Lias Leandros: you just wanted to get it inplace before you announced it

[11:44] Forceme Silverspar: I love the Zindra sim, it's clean and crisp.

[11:44] Saxoni Fenstalker: I like it too

[11:44] Lias Leandros: Its a shame you couldnt speak openly when I asked several times about it

[11:44] Xaria Mistwallow: last time i really been into Zindra it was laggy as hell

[11:44] Couldbe Yue: well he is now.. that's the main thing - it will stop the time wasting

[11:44] Saxoni Fenstalker: yes

[11:44] Forceme Silverspar: Yes, it needed doing!

[11:44] Lias Leandros: Time wasting?

[11:45] Qie Niangao: Blondin, you're making a huge mistake with that

[11:45] Lias Leandros: we have been here for a year

[11:45] Couldbe Yue: are there any compromise points here or is this it?

[11:45] Clovis Luik: lag is lower now Xaria

[11:45] Xaria Mistwallow: too many people abusing mega prims with tiny textures causing a hell lot of lag, over scripting, or plain script littering the place

[11:45] Xaria Mistwallow: hope so clover =)

[11:45] Ginette Pinazzo: I have real marketing work to do ..on real initiatives......I;m not sure Ill return to this after today

[11:45] Xaria Mistwallow: clovis*

[11:46] Xaria Mistwallow: oops, just noticed my ARC.... 18k o_0

[11:46] Blondin Linden: Couldbe, it would have to be a pretty compelling arguement. I just dont want to spend any more time debating on what should go there when now we can talk about the content to put in

[11:46] Forceme Silverspar: Excellent, Blondin.

[11:46] Blondin Linden: theres moment here now and I dont want to miss it

[11:47] Qie Niangao: NOT excellent. Not at all.

[11:47] Forceme Silverspar: Let's move on else we will be going backwards.

[11:47] Couldbe Yue: that's fine - the landscape will define what we can and can't do with it, so I just want to make sure we all understand what our constraints are

[11:47] Xaria Mistwallow: Blondin, i will keep bugging you about the Linden Village problem ;)

[11:47] Qie Niangao: the current build is a MASSIVE step backwards... we were better off with a flat landing point in the middle of nothing

[11:47] Blondin Linden: and if we have the 4 regions for the expo, then a lot of hte community events and expos can be down there. They can change and look however the organizers need them to

[11:47] Lias Leandros: Blondin ok you have your Mall. When do we use these meetings to address the issues that plague Zindra behind the search firewall?

[11:47] Forceme Silverspar: Sometimes, decisions NEED to be made, that Blondin has just made one that needed making.

[11:48] Lias Leandros: Blondin needed to make a mall?

[11:48] Lias Leandros: why does Bay City get a community Sim and Zindra does not?

[11:48] Couldbe Yue: we are still going to be included in the lottery that is now 4 months late, aren't we?

[11:48] Forceme Silverspar: He needed to draw a line under what ZIndra will look like to allow us to move on, yes.

[11:48] Ginette Pinazzo: this is an exact copy of previosu conversations

[11:48] Xaria Mistwallow: as he said, they are working on zindra to get one as well

[11:49] Innula Zenovka: so are spaces in the mall going to be allocated by lottery?

[11:49] Lias Leandros: Zindra looks like a mall with a moat by the road

[11:49] Innula Zenovka: or do we bid for them or what?

[11:49] Blondin Linden: they are parceled that way. So they have been set up that way

[11:49] Blondin Linden: wow, that was repetative

[11:50] Couldbe Yue: the visuals are fine for what it is - my only quibbles are with the quality of the roof structure and the lack of thought about access from the sim to the road

[11:50] Clovis Luik: when does the lottery commence?

[11:50] Lias Leandros: Couldbe, I have no idea why we care about what a mall roof looks like.

[11:50] Ginette Pinazzo: ugh

[11:50] Lias Leandros: we dont meet to help Lindne Lab build malls

[11:50] Xaria Mistwallow: as blondin said, it will be plots, so rent a plot, get a spot in the mall

[11:51] Xaria Mistwallow: thought he made it pretty clear ;)

[11:51] Blondin Linden: there was some push back to the lottery idea. Some though that the region itself should just be informational so as visitors will be encouraged to travel around the continetnet rather than just staying on the ZIndra sim

[11:51] Qie Niangao: xaria, that's not right

[11:51] Couldbe Yue: so we're going to be excluded from the lottery then?

[11:51] Innula Zenovka: you've lost me.. it's to be an informational mall?

[11:51] Clovis Luik: perhaps i am confused

[11:51] Blondin Linden: Mia was the one who headed up the Lotteries and unfortuantely, she is no longer with Linden so I'm not sure where the Lottery Program is gunna fall.

[11:52] Qie Niangao: apparently there's not going to be a lottery. all that mall space is to be filled with... zindra information??

[11:52] Blondin Linden: see - that term mall, its BAD!!! :) Its not really accurate

[11:52] Forceme Silverspar: That's a good idea Qie

[11:52] Ginette Pinazzo: information

[11:52] Saxoni Fenstalker: what term do you propose then?

[11:52] Couldbe Yue: ok.. so what kind of information do you want to see in this info centre

[11:52] Lias Leandros: Blondin there is nothing but a mall there

[11:52] Qie Niangao: well, it would be, except the build is for stores

[11:52] Ciaran Laval: So it's more of an infohub but can't be termed an infohub

[11:52] Lias Leandros: then you propose a notecard giver and a map

[11:52] Innula Zenovka: can i go there and rent a plot and use it to sell my and Vesta's bdsm furniture?

[11:52] Lias Leandros: next to the mall

[11:52] Forceme Silverspar: I don't see it as a mall - they are just spaces arnt they?

[11:53] Innula Zenovka: or are there restrictions on such commercial activities?

[11:53] Forceme Silverspar: It is only a mall when people start selling their stuff in there

[11:53] Alicia Mureaux: I think it is technically called a clusterf*#@k

[11:53] Saxoni Fenstalker: lol

[11:53] Lias Leandros: Agreed Alicia

[11:53] Nina Revnik giggles

[11:53] Blondin Linden: here is a question. We've all seen the current state of the infohubs yes? What SHOULD an infohub be?

[11:53] Ciaran Laval: Informative

[11:53] Qie Niangao: Now I'm *really* favoring just reverting the land and putting back a flat landing spot with a notecard giver.

[11:54] Lias Leandros: now its a infohub that sells BDSM furniture

[11:54] Alicia Mureaux: direct people to other locations

[11:54] Forceme Silverspar: Fun

[11:54] Edge Catteneo: Blondin our hour together is almost up. Could you please summerise what you think we have accomplished here and what you would like us to bring to next weeks meeting?

[11:54] Lias Leandros: with a moat

[11:54] Blondin Linden: seems easy enough right Ci? :)

[11:54] Forceme Silverspar: Remember I would like 1 minute please

[11:54] Innula Zenovka: if i rent a spot there, what can i use it for.. simple enough question

[11:55] Qie Niangao: who would you rent it *from*? Is LL suddenly in the Mainland *rental* business, too?

[11:55] Couldbe Yue: I think you'll find there'll be no rentals - unless I'm guessing incorrectly

[11:55] Blondin Linden: like any lottery space - showcase your merchandise?

[11:55] Saxoni Fenstalker: wait -- do we know if spaces will even be available for rent?

[11:55] Couldbe Yue: well it's a new sink

[11:55] Couldbe Yue: so you are going to rent spaces?

[11:55] Qie Niangao: wait, it's a lottery again?

[11:55] Qie Niangao is really confused.

[11:56] Saxoni Fenstalker: just showcase, but not sell?

[11:56] Clovis Luik: next meeting - more info on zindra space please

[11:56] Innula Zenovka: but i thought you just said there was "pushback" on the lottery idea because people wanted it to be informational and not commercial

[11:56] Blondin Linden: Edge, not sure how to answer that. I think if everyoneshould ahve a look at GInettes proposal for the Expo islands and come prepared with thoughts

[11:56] Blondin Linden: Ginette, if youw ant to rez those on a prim, I'll place them out here so people can take a look

[11:56] Lias Leandros: And the search firewall stays firmly in place as we spend an hour talking about a mall that won't ber accessed by anyone who is not already adult verified

[11:56] Innula Zenovka shares Qie's confusion

[11:56] Edge Catteneo: Maybe we could set it up as kind of a destination station

[11:56] Couldbe Yue: wtf has that disaster in the making got to do with zindra??

[11:57] Blondin Linden: Lias, I dont work on the search team so there isnt much I can do to help there

[11:57] Ginette Pinazzo: ok blondin..I was just about ready to quit too

[11:57] Couldbe Yue: I saw that as desalinisation.. I'm glad this is almost over

[11:57] Alicia Mureaux: Can there be a way to direct people from the PG infohubs to Zindra or the Zindra map put into those sims with an explanation of how to get there?

[11:57] Lias Leandros: what is this 'expo islands' thing?

[11:57] Ginette Pinazzo: lias...stop acting like you dotn know

[11:57] Blondin Linden: Thats possible Alicia

[11:58] Ciaran Laval: You're never going to grow here until you start addressing the issue of reach

[11:58] Blondin Linden: who wanted the final minute?

[11:58] Lias Leandros: and if you are going to give up FOUR islands for community events - why can't the sim of Zindra be used for it instead and the mall go to one of those other sims?

[11:58] Alicia Mureaux: that would be a help getting around what Lias calls the search firewall

[11:58] Forceme Silverspar: Mae

[11:58] Couldbe Yue: my preference is not to have expo sims. I'm not going support LL providing an opportunity for certain residents to push their own businesses at the deliberate expense of others - as happened in the last expo

[11:58] Ginette Pinazzo: Force did

[11:58] Forceme Silverspar: Me

[11:58] Blondin Linden: go for it FOrce

[11:58] Blondin Linden: 60 seconds on teh clock

[11:58] Forceme Silverspar: I will C&P - easier that way.

[11:58] Lias Leandros: spam us Force!

[11:58] Zada Bury: Damm, we will never know, how your holidays was.

[11:58] Forceme Silverspar: I have a kernel of a proposal for a season use of 4 sims. I will lead the proposal, simply because I don't believe an event like this can be successful without a structure in place and someone holds responsibilities and makes final decisions. If anyone wants to help me on this proposal please let me know. I am looking for a Senate, Land Council, Officers, Event planners, Builders, Web team, Networking and promotion. Grab me at the end if you are interested, thanks!

[11:58] Blondin Linden: haha. Holiday was relaxing. THe way it should be

[12:00] Blondin Linden: ok all. A lively OH as always. Thanks. I'll be around on Wed at my normal OH time and Ill be abck next week

[12:00] Forceme Silverspar: Bye Blondin!

[12:00] Blondin Linden: :)

[12:00] Ciaran Laval: Bye Blondin

[12:00] Saxoni Fenstalker: Bye Blondin

[12:00] Blondin Linden: oh and Ill be at SLCC this year

[12:00] Xaria Mistwallow: force, i my be able to help

[12:00] Blondin Linden: :)

[12:00] Innula Zenovka: bye, Blondin

[12:00] Zada Bury: see you next week

[12:00] Ginette Pinazzo: congrats evrryone..you managed to waste another 60 minutes and let yourselves be redirected.......ciao

[12:00] Edge Catteneo: Thanks for all you do Blondin

[12:00] Blondin Linden: if your planing on going

[12:00] Xaria Mistwallow: bye blondin, till later

[12:00] Qie Niangao: Thanks, Blondin.

[12:00] Forceme Silverspar: Oh great, thnaks Xaria

[12:00] Ginette Pinazzo: thanks Force...thats ounded liek soem progress!

[12:01] Clovis Luik: bye blondin