[11:01] Blondin Linden: im here! Next monday I may be OOO. But Im here today

[11:01] Zada Bury: strange*

[11:01] Blondin Linden: ooo = out of office

[11:01] Zada Bury: ah ... holiday again ... or only 1, some days?

[11:01] Innula Zenovka: hi, Couldbe

[11:01] Alicia Mureaux: better than Out of Order like a broken soda machine

[11:02] Blondin Linden: personal day. I'm heading to ohio with doug for a high school reunion. His, not mine.

[11:02] Couldbe Yue: Hey Innula :) see I remembered

[11:02] Zada Bury: ah ... must be surely funny

[11:02] Blondin Linden: in case any of you care

[11:02] Blondin Linden: :)

[11:03] Blondin Linden: so Im hoping you had good wknds?

[11:03] Ginette Pinazzo: Caring is waht we do best, Blondin

[11:03] Ginette Pinazzo: Happy IFD everyone! (thast was my weekend)

[11:03] Blondin Linden: Philip posted a blog about his inwolrd meeting, just wanted to draw some attention to that in case people were interested in attending

[11:03] Daniel Voyager: hey everyone :)

[11:04] Saxoni Fenstalker: Hi All :-)

[11:04] Alicia Mureaux: has a time for it been decided? I haven't seen one yet

[11:04] Zada Bury: heya, around

[11:04] Innula Zenovka: was that the one about "doing less better"?

[11:04] Ginette Pinazzo: haha

[11:04] Innula Zenovka: no.. that was Burn2, wasn't it?

[11:04] Ginette Pinazzo: Blondin.....have you read over and thought of feedback regarding the proposal we went over last week?

[11:04] Zada Bury: Qie ^_^heya.

[11:04] Blondin Linden: link isnt working so Ill just post a link to Dan's blog

[11:04] Blondin Linden: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWBG1j_flrg&feature=related'

[11:04] Qie Niangao: Hi Zada, everybody

[11:04] Blondin Linden: ooops

[11:05] Blondin Linden: wrong link

[11:05] Blondin Linden: but that las tlink is an awesome song that I like. .....again...if you care

[11:05] Blondin Linden: http://danielvoyagerblog.wordpress.com/2010/07/26/philip-linden-and-bk-linden-to-host-inworld-meeting-on-july-30th-2010/

[11:05] Blondin Linden: I did Ginette, Im still going through it

[11:05] Daniel Voyager: haha ty

[11:05] Blondin Linden: just trying to add some specifics into it

[11:06] Ginette Pinazzo: great

[11:06] Blondin Linden: I didnt even know you were here Dan :)

[11:06] Zada Bury: bleah "this video is not avaiable in your country

[11:06] Daniel Voyager: hey!

[11:06] Blondin Linden: :( aw. Im sorry Zada.

[11:06] Blondin Linden: Its called The High Road by Broken Bells

[11:06] Blondin Linden: if you wanna google it

[11:06] Daniel Voyager: Tried to summarize it all up, Blondin. :)

[11:06] Ginette Pinazzo: once Force wakes up, she might ahve a specifci event proposal to mention, that is in-line with that ...(gangs elbow into Force)

[11:07] Ginette Pinazzo: *bangs

[11:07] Blondin Linden: so Philip and BK are planning an inworld meeting on Friday at 10am PST. Attendance will be by random draw but TreetTV will be filming and streaming audio and someone from VAI will be doing a little transcription

[11:08] Zada Bury: (( "vimeo" have it ... http://vimeo.com/9348156 ))

[11:08] Blondin Linden: so if you want to attend, check out the blog for the link to the submission form

[11:08] Innula Zenovka: Blondin. minor point but when I post the transcripts of these meetings, at http://zindraofficehours.blogspot.com/ am I correct in referring to them as your "Zindra Office Hours"? It's been suggested they are, in fact, something different, and if that's the case I'll change the title if blogger will let me

[11:08] Daniel Voyager: Blondin, got another link > http://www.sluniverse.com/php/vb/general-sl-discussion/47126-second-life-blog-join-philip.html

[11:08] Blondin Linden: Blondin's Zindra Office Hour is good

[11:08] Innula Zenovka: phew.. i didn't want to have try to change the name

[11:09] Blondin Linden: its open for anyone to attend to discuss issues about Zindra

[11:09] Innula Zenovka: thank you for that clarification

[11:09] Blondin Linden: so I know Lias wanted to talk about the Zindra region itself

[11:09] Blondin Linden: yes?

[11:09] Blondin Linden: does that sound like a good starting point?

[11:10] Qie Niangao: hmmm... wasn't Lias here before?

[11:10] Blondin Linden: i thought so

[11:10] Zada Bury: right from me

[11:10] Saxoni Fenstalker: she poofed...not sure why

[11:10] Zada Bury: on a chair this time

[11:10] Innula Zenovka: yeah

[11:10] Innula Zenovka: crashed, maybe

[11:10] Ginette Pinazzo: (takes finger off secert poof button)...(joke)

[11:10] Zada Bury: oh .. no ...

[11:10] Blondin Linden: well, we can give her a moment or two to come back if she wants

[11:11] Blondin Linden: :)

[11:11] Zada Bury: it'S sky ... same color-sheme ^.^

[11:11] Blondin Linden: Is there anything elseanyone wanted to discuss?

[11:11] Qie Niangao: well... I can't speak to what she was going to say, but I'd be interested in whether the Zindra sim might still be appropriate for frequent, very low-key events

[11:11] Saxoni Fenstalker: she's been gone for a couple of minutes....missed the comment about how this is Blondin's Office Hour

[11:11] Saxoni Fenstalker: ;-)

[11:11] Innula Zenovka: doubtless someone will remind her

[11:12] Forceme Silverspar: If anyone wasnt to be an observer on my projects's google doc, chuck me your email.

[11:12] Blondin Linden: Qie, that seem to be the million dollar question: Do we use it as a static , information spot that encourages people to explore ZIndra? Or do we use it as a community space for smaller events?

[11:13] Qie Niangao: I've been looking at the builds... one of the large stores (the one on the east end) got damaged in transit somehow, but actually, *fixing* that might be an opportunity to turn it into a little event venue, if we can use Zindra for some socializing

[11:13] Ginette Pinazzo: we still will have soem more informational content that we coudl add..that is appropriate, I think

[11:13] Innula Zenovka: i don't see why it has to be one or other.. as Clovis says, why not both?

[11:13] Blondin Linden: i think there may be some sort of happy medium somewhere.

[11:14] Qie Niangao: yeah, I'm thinking both... if the land permissions can be worked out such that a venue could work on that store parcel, at least

[11:14] Blondin Linden: And those big 'store' builds on either end can be used as a type of commmunity club house. We could actually set the landing in there and dress that up with the info

[11:14] Blondin Linden: just a thought

[11:15] Qie Niangao: ((I still *hate* that sail roof, by the way... I know it's a lost battle, but I think it's just incredibly ugly))

[11:15] Kira Welty: Zindra Community gateway...

[11:15] Ginette Pinazzo: who would manage the steram of non-inormational content there? how would that process go? to keep ity fair and somehow not interfere with the sim's informational purpose?

[11:15] Blondin Linden: I'll pretend I didnt hear you Kira

[11:15] Zada Bury: you can only see that sail-wave-roof of you can see long distance ...

[11:16] Zada Bury: .... and if you soo long distance, you lagging bad

[11:16] Zada Bury: I was crash more then once, as I've try to make pics from it.

[11:16] Qie Niangao: Ginette, that's subject to somebody making a proposal about it... the thing is, there's not much point in proposing a process if the sim would be off-limits to small events

[11:16] Innula Zenovka: and if we are to have events, is it ok to have events that are adult in nature, as it were, as opposed to just adult because they're on Zindra, and advertise them on land other than adult, using notecard givers and information kiosks and whatever, so long as the advertising materials are not in themselves inappropriate for the land where they are situated?

[11:17] Blondin Linden: that is a good question GInette. I think to set this up, we'd need to get the infomation stuff in place fisrt, and use some form of the critera we're working on for the events region and apply it to smaller events in ZIndra

[11:18] Blondin Linden: as long as the advertizing is Moderate/Mature, I dont see why you couldnt advertize adult events like that.

[11:18] Innula Zenovka: great.. thank you for that clarification, Blondin

[11:18] Ginette Pinazzo: I agree a procfess is totally necessary....and probably more challenging for a small space with more low key/frequent events.....its why I was trying to push for a focus on bigger events...easier to manage the process and bigger PR results

[11:19] Qie Niangao: okay... I mean, for now, I'm happy if we just reserve the two big "store" things for special community projects, and keep the info stuff to the kiosks and smaller storefronts in the center of that mall-plaza-thingy

[11:19] Couldbe Yue: I keep thinking of those club house/community areas on the linden homes builds - I don't think I've ever seen anyone there.. yet I'm not really happy about allowing a clique of people access to zindra for their own ends - it's always seems to end badly here

[11:19] Blondin Linden: the trick would be giving enough detail so that those who click to tp know what they are getting into. Can't call it an Adult Education Call for a BDSM workshop b/c some people may actually think its sometype of higher education class

[11:19] Ginette Pinazzo: you know...we coulthink of more in formational contenbt....besiudes the NC and map we have now.....tyhere are probably many things

[11:19] Innula Zenovka: with your map, Qie.. we must have that in a prominent place

[11:20] Blondin Linden: ginette - that would be great. We should start brainstorming

[11:20] Qie Niangao: the map is already in the middle... but you can still fall through some of those prims on the waterline, dunno how

[11:20] Ginette Pinazzo: I have oen simpel idea...and its NOT because I worked on it.....the slideshow of photos for the expo....its neutral..so to sepak

[11:21] Blondin Linden: that sounds like a good idea, :)

[11:21] Qie Niangao: I also don't understand why the landing point routing isn't working on that sim, or at least wasn't when I tested yesterday

[11:21] Saxoni Fenstalker: slideshow is good idea as long as everyone has a chance to participate

[11:21] Blondin Linden: did you land under the build?

[11:21] Alicia Mureaux: it seemed to work for me this morning

[11:21] Ginette Pinazzo: does anyone want a copy of that? the slideshow projector? I handed it out a efw times before

[11:21] Qie Niangao: yeah, kinda "inside" the floor somehow

[11:22] Couldbe Yue: could we set up a formal zindra flickr group and run a slideshow from that?

[11:22] Blondin Linden: yuck. I thought that was fixed th eother week. Ill have MOlly take another look.

[11:22] Saxoni Fenstalker: Clovis and I have a Zindra group on Koinup that could be used as well

[11:22] Ginette Pinazzo: well, its photos from the expo past......it makes sensne to me youdf have material about past (and futrue) events that are so-caleld 'official' ones

[11:22] Daniel Voyager: The sl blogs seem to be working again. :)

[11:22] Blondin Linden: I like that idea Couldbe. But will Flickr let us use Adult pics?

[11:22] Innula Zenovka: sure will

[11:22] Couldbe Yue: i've still got that flickr group for zindra active too

[11:22] Blondin Linden: haha

[11:22] Couldbe Yue: they do

[11:23] Couldbe Yue: well, they haven't complained about my group and I've got a fantastic picture of Sindy Tsures shemale statue in it

[11:23] Alicia Mureaux: Couldbe - was that the Zindra Tourist Trail group

[11:23] Couldbe Yue: I'm glad you remembered the name Alicia.. I had forgotten lol

[11:24] Alicia Mureaux: haha

[11:24] Couldbe Yue: people are still posting to it though

[11:24] Couldbe Yue: there's been some great pics

[11:25] Blondin Linden: would a ZIndra Flickr page be something that I would need to set up? Or is that something one of you can do?

[11:25] Qie Niangao: so, I have a completely unrelated thing: How can we push to make it so search.secondlife.com has Mature and Adult content, similar to Xstreet's gated content? It's really gotten to the point that only search.secondlife.com and world.secondlife.com are usable for in-world searches--but only General-rated. So even the Mature parcels are missing out there.

[11:25] Innula Zenovka: there's plenty of adult sl flickr groups listed in the wiki, blondin http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/List_of_all_Second_Life_Groups_on_Flickr.com

[11:25] Saxoni Fenstalker: It's already set up Blondin.....

[11:25] Saxoni Fenstalker: Coulbe's group...

[11:25] Ginette Pinazzo: I think you shoudl set it up, blondin.....probably make it most neutral

[11:26] Alicia Mureaux: I'm not sure how the adult pictures work on Flickr, I think you have to be logged in or make a statement 'I am 18" to see them

[11:26] Ginette Pinazzo: unless we can certain it will neutrally moderated, I guess

[11:26] Blondin Linden: ah look at that! :)

[11:26] Couldbe Yue: I think so too Blondin, if you want I can hand the tourist trail one over to you and bow out or you can set up a fresh one

[11:26] Saxoni Fenstalker: you have to set them to restricted

[11:26] Daniel Voyager: ZIndra Flickr page sounds good :D

[11:27] Blondin Linden: why don't I create a ZIndra FLickr page. Then people can just add to it ya?

[11:27] Ginette Pinazzo: soudsn fair...

[11:27] Saxoni Fenstalker: sounds good

[11:27] Daniel Voyager: sounds great :)

[11:28] Ginette Pinazzo: Blondin....to be really fair, can you think of a way to notify as many Zindrans as possible of the Flickr site? so we get fresh blood in it?

[11:28] Blondin Linden: ok. Once i get it created, Ill need up in figuring out how to best get it inworld. B/c Im sure someone knows how :)

[11:28] Ginette Pinazzo: we could start an initiative to get peoepl to submit photos....a call across Zindra somehow

[11:28] Blondin Linden: yeah Ginette. I'll try and think of a way.

[11:28] Couldbe Yue: don't consider media on a prim - most of us don't use 2.0

[11:28] Blondin Linden: I know couldbe

[11:28] Blondin Linden: :)

[11:28] Couldbe Yue: although I suppose it might tempt some of the newbies

[11:29] Ginette Pinazzo: I think any thing liek this in that sim space shoudl be as publically accessible and promoted as possbile

[11:29] Blondin Linden: noobs coming in will be on 2.1 or whatever number we're up to

[11:29] Innula Zenovka: well, one way to get people aware of in flickr is to have someone go round the various existing groups and ask if they use specific pictures from there as part of the pool

[11:29] Qie Niangao: can layer MoaP as transparent texture over parcel media (or fixed textures, or whatever)... that's how the big map works

[11:29] Blondin Linden: I do ahve to say, 2.1 is doing great in terms of crash rate.

[11:29] Saxoni Fenstalker: I think media on a prim is supposed to be a feature of that "other viewer" people use

[11:29] Blondin Linden: just thought Id trhow that out there:)

[11:29] Couldbe Yue: or everyone with an account just sends out a bulk invite - I think you can still do that

[11:30] Blondin Linden: i wish there was a way to send an estate message to just zindra

[11:30] Blondin Linden: but there isnt w/o sending it to everyone on the Moderate Mainland

[11:30] Ginette Pinazzo: ishoudl we have atask force to develop thsi photo submission / Flicktr idea......or is blondin enough?

[11:30] Kira Welty: that would be nice Blondin ;))

[11:30] Alicia Mureaux: use the jira for a feature request Blondin :-)

[11:30] Zada Bury: put in the JIRA as wished feature ^.^

[11:31] Innula Zenovka: please, not a task force, not if we want anything doing this side of Christmas

[11:31] Couldbe Yue: well how about a blog post with an invite to join a zindra info group and a link to the flickr page.. at least then it might get a good response and would make it easier in future

[11:31] Ginette Pinazzo: hahaha

[11:31] Blondin Linden: im sure they would love a Linden PJIra

[11:31] Daniel Voyager: agrees with Couldbe

[11:31] Couldbe Yue: and getting zindra sim into the destination guide once the moles have finished would be a nice touch

[11:31] Couldbe Yue: you could even combine that in the blog post

[11:31] Blondin Linden: thats possible. I wish I could just go door to door.

[11:32] Blondin Linden: or generate a list of land owners

[11:32] Innula Zenovka: the technical lindens submit them often enough, Blondin.. Maestro picked up on a bug report the other day in the blogs and turned it into a pjira

[11:32] Ginette Pinazzo: In addition to this Flickr initiative, Id still consider a slideshow of the expo stuff...since its epcific...and we could do soemthing like that for any past events we do

[11:32] Zada Bury: welcome back, Lias

[11:32] Blondin Linden: the ladder is probablly possible if I call in a few favors :)

[11:32] Couldbe Yue: well ask tyche shephard - I'm sure she could easily oblige.. it's not rocket science

[11:33] Blondin Linden: I think maybe a seperate area for EXPO or Community Events where we could could have pics, kiosks, general info on how to participate

[11:33] Ginette Pinazzo: sure that makes sense

[11:33] Blondin Linden: a seperate area in that build is what I mean

[11:34] Blondin Linden: in case Im losing anyone

[11:34] Blondin Linden: :)

[11:34] Ginette Pinazzo: right..if I give you the slideshow again, blondin...will you not lose itz?

[11:34] Blondin Linden: no promises GInette :)

[11:34] Ginette Pinazzo: (it coudl just be rezzed on a table liek a real projector)

[11:34] Couldbe Yue: how about a stage in the water? you could have a fountain running and when there's an event turn it off until the event is over

[11:34] Blondin Linden: Couldbe, part of the build is actually parceled differently, making events possible

[11:35] Couldbe Yue: which bit?

[11:35] Blondin Linden: so there is already an area set aside

[11:35] Couldbe Yue: which bit?

[11:35] Couldbe Yue: not the steep hillside I hope

[11:35] Ginette Pinazzo: well if you cant promise to not lose it, forget it..haha

[11:35] Blondin Linden: the wing that faces the South

[11:36] Couldbe Yue: where the shops are?

[11:36] Couldbe Yue: or the steep hilly bit on the other side?

[11:36] Blondin Linden: gosh this is hard :) if you look at the picture on the MAP of ZIndra

[11:36] Blondin Linden: not the wing that faces Mosh

[11:37] Alicia Mureaux: the small extension on the south side?

[11:37] Blondin Linden: but the wing that faces Van Tessa

[11:37] Blondin Linden: yeah

[11:37] Blondin Linden: the extention

[11:37] Couldbe Yue: the southern end is the steep hilly bit, the northern end the shops

[11:38] Alicia Mureaux: looks like it might be 80w x 20

[11:38] Blondin Linden: well, lets see how it goes. If later on we want to switch sides, I'm fine with having that discussion

[11:39] Blondin Linden: I think we should focus on 2 things. 1) Getting the process set up for large events on the Expo Land and 2) GEtting informational content set up on the ZIndra Region.

[11:39] Saxoni Fenstalker: sounds good

[11:39] Ginette Pinazzo: as far as 1) goes, we need to wait for you to finish reveiwing the proposal, right?

[11:39] Blondin Linden: once we get that process set up for the Expo regions, we can tweak and apply it to the Zindra region for small event

[11:39] Blondin Linden: yeah

[11:40] Forceme Silverspar: So we waiting for you to act Blondin?

[11:40] Ginette Pinazzo: hahaha

[11:40] Ginette Pinazzo: alwasya risky idea

[11:40] Blondin Linden: Im just going over it and adding details. I'll pass it back to you all to ahve a look and we can go back and forth on what works and waht doesnt

[11:40] Blondin Linden: sounds like I have all the action items this week !

[11:40] Lias Leandros: But why is Linden Lab spending resources on supplying sims to produce search firewalled events?

[11:40] Ginette Pinazzo: theer are alreasdy 2 proposals being worked on that I know of for specific evnts inline with that

[11:40] Forceme Silverspar: Not too much back and forth tho coz else it will be a year we have to wait.

[11:41] Lias Leandros: We already produce search firewalled events on our own parcels in Zindra

[11:41] Blondin Linden: these would be for larger scale events that are community inclusive Lias

[11:41] Ginette Pinazzo: lias this is called organized outreach......bigger scale

[11:41] Lias Leandros: I wrote up a more rational plan that allows everyone to help each other advertisise within Zindra on their own property as opposed to moving to Linden Sims to market themselves

[11:41] Couldbe Yue: why can't those 4 sims be truned into something more interesting?? why can't we have a railway??

[11:42] Lias Leandros: we should advertise our actual locations

[11:42] Blondin Linden: what about the monorail COuldbe?

[11:42] Couldbe Yue: nope, a railway

[11:42] Ginette Pinazzo: I think an undergound woudl be great too...haha

[11:42] Lias Leandros: http://www.zindracommunities.com details a quarterly showcase marketing plan for Zindra that does not include moving to new sims

[11:42] Blondin Linden: I know I know, it doesnt work a lot, but neither do parts of the linden railroad :)

[11:42] Couldbe Yue: I was on the one that starts in purple the other week.. I think a railway would be good

[11:43] Lias Leandros: I think that if these people accept these free sims from Linden Lab then Linden Lab can say they gave us all the 'help' we need

[11:43] Zada Bury: about the Monorail btw... can it made slower?

[11:43] Couldbe Yue: and why can't LL put a boat launch ramp somewhere along the river? I can't remember if there's a boat in the library but if not get the moles to make a boat dispenser for the ramp

[11:43] Blondin Linden: i suppose

[11:43] Saxoni Fenstalker: a boat launch ramp would be great!

[11:44] Ginette Pinazzo: lias..did you just make that URL? very similar to www.zindracommunity.com..haha

[11:44] Zada Bury: agrees

[11:44] Couldbe Yue: I see lots of airships and things going up and down the river but very rarely do i see people on the water

[11:44] Blondin Linden: really? a boat launch?

[11:44] Lias Leandros: I made the zindracommunty Url Ginette

[11:44] Zada Bury: agres to boat-ramps*

[11:44] Couldbe Yue: yes blondin a boat ramp

[11:44] Saxoni Fenstalker: Yes, a boat launch! :-)

[11:44] Skygirl Kline: you can launch opposite the port but its on a sim boundary

[11:45] Ginette Pinazzo: wow thats great unity..reminds me if the femdom network split last month.....

[11:45] Blondin Linden: i was gunna ask Sky - where should this ramp be?

[11:45] Couldbe Yue: let's give people something to do here.. i love my part of the river (my neighbour with the hideous pink building not withstanding) and it's a shame more people don't see it as I do

[11:45] Lias Leandros: Well since there is absolutely no plan in place for any real marketing to occur with Linden Lab around the search firewall its just free sims for people who want to throw adult events.

[11:45] Skygirl Kline: by the river would be nice i suppose

[11:45] Couldbe Yue: there's some abandoned land on the river by me

[11:45] Lias Leandros: Those of us paying tier for our adult land have no need for that

[11:45] Couldbe Yue: I'm sure there's more around

[11:46] Ginette Pinazzo: I think most of is pay tier

[11:46] Zada Bury: some little parcles ("rezz-zones") wher you can rezz thing ... also on the sea will be nice

[11:46] Lias Leandros: And instead of using this limited time to discuss real issues that effect our income - we are talking about making docks and boats

[11:46] Skygirl Kline: I've sailed a lot of the inland rivers, they are passable

[11:46] Ginette Pinazzo: but since you couldnt post a spammy 'proposal' on zindracommunity,com (I read it, by the way)......you make http://www.zindracommunities.com.....almsot the same name....this isnt constructive

[11:46] Blondin Linden: do you think creating one attached to the Zindra sim would be a good idea? or should I just sor tof go up and down the river looking for a good spot?

[11:46] Couldbe Yue: take some of the abandoned land and make a ring around the continent of boat ramps..

[11:46] Forceme Silverspar: Oh my oh my oh my.

[11:47] Couldbe Yue: give people something to do with their boat

[11:47] Saxoni Fenstalker: I think putting one on the Zindra sim would be a great idea

[11:47] Alicia Mureaux: why not us the Zindra sim for that also

[11:47] Lias Leandros: Ginette the webmaster will tell you I created the zindracommunity web name in the first place

[11:47] Skygirl Kline: well would be easier found by the zindra sim and the port buildings

[11:47] Zada Bury: you can mark them with a "green glow" ^.^

[11:47] Couldbe Yue: zindra and by me and where ever theres a spot of abandoned land on the water

[11:47] Innula Zenovka: i think the Zindra sim is a good place.. people can then go and explore fromthere

[11:47] Ginette Pinazzo: I ntalk to the websmaster everyday almost, I know the situation...when was the last tiem you talked to her?

[11:47] Saxoni Fenstalker: exactly

[11:47] Blondin Linden: zada, I sense sarcasm

[11:47] Skygirl Kline: shhhsh Zada

[11:47] Lias Leandros: zindracommunities.com is just a place for the Zindra Showcase marketing to occur

[11:48] Alicia Mureaux: another function of Zindra sim to encourage exploring the continent

[11:48] Zada Bury: *smirks* was hard to resist ... bit it's good, if you can see, where you can rezz something

[11:48] Blondin Linden: ladies, we only have a few minutes. Lets play nicely

[11:48] Lias Leandros: There is no reason for Adult business to re-locate to Linden Islands and promote those addresses when we pay tier to promote our own address

[11:48] Blondin Linden: :)

[11:48] Couldbe Yue: what's wrong with giving people a map of the various boat ramps and let them explore the waterways at their leisure?

[11:48] Ginette Pinazzo: you dotn think zindracommunity.com and zindracommunities.com is liekly to cause 'public confiusion' (legal term,)

[11:48] Saxoni Fenstalker: that's a great idea too Couldbe :-)

[11:48] Lias Leandros: I dont take shots at Ginette - I just discuss the issues I find important

[11:48] Lias Leandros: I mean if you want to give her four sims then give them to her

[11:48] Blondin Linden: Ill pass the idea onto michael and see if I can get a mole to work on it

[11:48] Blondin Linden: :)

[11:49] Lias Leandros: I am saying that it is of no use to those that pay tier already

[11:49] Couldbe Yue: I wish you and ginette would stfu.. you're bickering is becoming tiresome in the extremem

[11:49] Lias Leandros: its still behind the firewall

[11:49] Ginette Pinazzo: give me four sims? please do not mischaracterize..I like the boating talk

[11:49] Blondin Linden: thanks for the suggestion

[11:49] Couldbe Yue: ignore the terrible spelling, typing and punctuation of that sentence

[11:49] Lias Leandros: and there is abslutely no plan to make any of those events known outside of the firewall

[11:49] Forceme Silverspar: This was a calm sensible meeting until 4 mins ago.

[11:49] Ginette Pinazzo: theer is evry plan to do that..its caleld outreach

[11:49] Blondin Linden: yes, lets not bicker right now.

[11:49] Lias Leandros: so we can help ourselves and promote within the firewall without moving to 4 sims 3 times a year

[11:50] Blondin Linden: no need for it. It's been a productive meeting :)

[11:50] Innula Zenovka: usually so

[11:50] Forceme Silverspar: You do what you like Lias, and let others do what they like.

[11:50] Ginette Pinazzo: lias...if you wnat to pitch yoru idea..thats fabulous....notice how my proposla doe NOT have any 'tarsh lias proposal' parts? be psoitive only...

[11:50] Lias Leandros: Blondin you know 4 sims of adult events in Zindra arnt going to increase traffic for Zindra

[11:50] Couldbe Yue: if we put the boat ramps in, get the flickr page (and youtube?) get the group set up and get zindra in the destination guide then a blog post would be well and truly a great way to attract lots of people who wouldn't usually look at us

[11:51] Lias Leandros: If it was that easy we wouldnt have had any issues when we moved here

[11:51] Blondin Linden: destination guide will prove to be a bit more difficult, but I think this would be a good time to bring it up again internally.

[11:52] Innula Zenovka: is that feasible, Blondin.. getting a "non adult" attraction on Zindra into the destination guide?

[11:52] Ginette Pinazzo: lias...what actually IS yoru proposal? outline the main point

[11:52] Blondin Linden: if we can get all these things, an update blog would be great

[11:52] Blondin Linden: :)

[11:52] Qie Niangao: Blondin, please also consider bringing up that bit with the web search for non-General content

[11:52] Lias Leandros: You see? anything in Zindra cannot be advertised beyond the search firewall as every other business in Second Life

[11:52] Lias Leandros: THAT is the issue we have to work on

[11:52] Innula Zenovka: I asked Blondin, Lias.. maybe he can assist with this

[11:52] Couldbe Yue: why is it difficult? you said as long as it's mature or under it would be good - all the sim will do is provide information on things to do - *non commercial* things to do if I have my way

[11:52] Alicia Mureaux: using the destination guide can let people know the continent exists to start exploring the rest of the sim

[11:52] Ginette Pinazzo: ok fine..so wahts your main points in your proposal..the solution

[11:53] Alicia Mureaux: errr continent ffs I'm confusing myself with the terms today

[11:54] Lias Leandros: Ginette - I presented a combination of my solution along wioth excellent ideas from Qie and Zada and they were completely ignored for your 4 sim plan.

[11:54] Lias Leandros: and thats fine with me - but the issue still remains

[11:54] Forceme Silverspar: I advertise my Adult stuff all over SL - PG and Mature... I use intellegence, tact and cleverness to do so. If you can't do the same Lias, I suggest you find someone who can help you out.

[11:54] Ginette Pinazzo: sso explain the bullet points of this new proposal...the one called ' Al La Carte'

[11:54] Blondin Linden: Lias, unfortuantely, Im not on the search team so there is little I can say or do to address those concerns for you. The team is working on the issue and are in fact aware of the difficulties you face. But as ofr right here and right now, the 'search firewall' is a bit out of scope for this conversation

[11:55] Couldbe Yue: and honestly? I'd rather not use those 4 sims solely as a commercial enterprise. let's put a railway and an activity park there and let people come to enjoy themselves

[11:55] Lias Leandros: Blondin agreed in a ticket response to me to put up adult verification kiosks in mainland inforhubs and then supply a landmark to the sim of Zindra for new players

[11:55] Couldbe Yue: btw blondin you've just reminded me of something I wanted to ask..

[11:55] Lias Leandros: so now that Zindra is just a mall and LL is making a film that will have a slurl that points to a mature sim next to Zindra perhaps those kiosks can direct folks to go there

[11:55] Innula Zenovka: even if we can't get it into the destination guide immediately, there's other things.. Emerald could probably be persuaded to put it on their log-in page... I'll ask LordGG, if and when there's something for them to put there

[11:56] Qie Niangao: actually... should there be a Zindra Expo event in conjunction with Fall Fashion Fair? *only* adult fashion, of course, not toys and services and such

[11:56] Blondin Linden: what do people think of a railroad around the expo regions? could be an interesting way to set parcel divisions

[11:56] Forceme Silverspar: How many MORE times does Blondin have to tell you Lias that Search firewall is not the business in this meeting. Please, drop it and stop waiting our valuable time with him.

[11:56] Lias Leandros: Blondin you know that a year ago that was the topic of conversation for these meetings.

[11:56] Ginette Pinazzo: Couldbe, the point of that isalnd woudl be (if this is adopted) that anyone...anyone..could proposa e lareg event.....commercialism is not bad, is it? Everyoen wants opportunity to do outreach and promote and get attention.....commercialism is not a mutually exclusive concept

[11:56] Couldbe Yue: could you create a decent LL verification centre soemwhere - like the one in bay city but only LL run.. I'm still getting a fair amount of traffic to my blog looking for verification info and I'd be happier pointing it to LL land

[11:56] Lias Leandros: we werent discussing malls and boats and four free sms for firewalled events

[11:56] Innula Zenovka: now, that is a good idea, Qie..

[11:57] Blondin Linden: COuldbe - on that I have good news

[11:57] Blondin Linden: Podyan is being turned into that as we speak

[11:57] Alicia Mureaux: I like adding any non adult features to those islands as a way to provide something to do that might be unique and give a reaason to be on this continent

[11:57] Qie Niangao: (i'm in favor of freeloading on existing Linden promotions)

[11:57] Blondin Linden: and its Moderate rated

[11:57] Couldbe Yue: very few people have the time or content to organise a large event ginette - that's the point

[11:57] Blondin Linden: for new users to land in

[11:57] Innula Zenovka: that's good news.. when will it be ready?

[11:57] Lias Leandros: Ginetand then we puch them over the sim line into adult territory

[11:57] Blondin Linden: hopefully soon

[11:57] Couldbe Yue: great - well when you have a description and slurl I'd appreciate it so I can update the post

[11:58] Blondin Linden: I think Molly is still doing work on it

[11:58] Ginette Pinazzo: Couldbe..if peopel pull together, thats what a lareg community event is...and they are very possible

[11:58] Lias Leandros: So Blondin you are really going to give these people 4 sims to have adult events in for free?

[11:58] Ginette Pinazzo: lias....you can have those sims too...its for anyone with as godo proposal...hello???

[11:59] Forceme Silverspar: These people - could be you too Lias if you got your arse into gear and wrote a proposal.

[11:59] Ginette Pinazzo: did you even read it, lias......its not even all-adult stuff...its intentionally not all-adult

[11:59] Blondin Linden: hey guys, I gotta jet

[11:59] Zada Bury: so then we see you in 2 weeks, right Blondin?

[11:59] Ginette Pinazzo: ciao blondin

[11:59] Blondin Linden: But I have my marching orders.

[11:59] Qie Niangao: thanks Blondin

[11:59] Lias Leandros: We can have a showcase every three months of any Zindra Business that wants to be listed - and have a sort of SIM CRAWL event that links all of the participant's locations into one big event

[11:59] Saxoni Fenstalker: Bye Blondin, thanks :-)

[11:59] Couldbe Yue: and I saw how the organisers behaved at the expo ginette.. and I was decidedly underwhelmed

[11:59] Innula Zenovka: see you in a fortnight, Blondin.. have fun in Ohio

[11:59] Forceme Silverspar: Bye Blondin and thank you!

[11:59] Skygirl Kline: Bye Blondins

[11:59] Blondin Linden: I may be OOO next week but I'll try and have some news for you later this week

[11:00] Blondin Linden: hey hey

[11:00] Blondin Linden: hope ur all well

[11:00] Youri Ashton: lucky i could get on

[11:01] Youri Ashton: most of europe couldnt join SL for the whole weekend

[11:01] Youri Ashton: it just seems to be fixed (although i have a sirious case of chat lag still)

[11:01] Blondin Linden: are there log in issues?

[11:01] Blondin Linden: things seem kinda laggy this morning

[11:01] Youri Ashton: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-6008

[11:01] Blondin Linden: me too Yuri

[11:02] Blondin Linden: well - glad ur online Yuri :)

[11:02] Youri Ashton: glad to be finally online

[11:02] Youri Ashton: lol

[11:02] Youri Ashton: *kicks that bug*

[11:03] Blondin Linden: small crowd today

[11:03] Blondin Linden: :)

[11:03] Blondin Linden: no worries

[11:03] Youri Ashton: the most fear your OH also got cancelled due holidays

[11:03] Qie Niangao: so, Blondin, you may *possibly* get a request from Torley about that big shared-media Zindra map... a little twitter exchange, I guess to respond to a query from Loki Eliot

[11:04] Blondin Linden: what happened Qie?

[11:04] Qie Niangao: oh, not a problem with it, just that Loki asked how to get a click-to-TP on shared media prim

[11:05] Ginette Pinazzo: Hello Zindrans

[11:05] Forceme Silverspar waves

[11:05] Youri Ashton: more people already dropping in blondin :)

[11:05] Blondin Linden: ah. Well/ My answer would be. I dunno. Talk to the person who made it :)

[11:05] Blondin Linden: :) credit where credit is due

[11:05] Qie Niangao: Torley twittered about it and I replied. hehehe... okay. doesn't matter,

[11:05] Blondin Linden: really? i wanna see :)

[11:06] Lias Leandros: Hello

[11:06] Youri Ashton: uh oh

[11:06] Youri Ashton: problem getting worse again

[11:06] Forceme Silverspar: Hi Lias.

[11:06] Lias Leandros: Instead of a free-for-all I would like to present an agenda of the subjects we went over last week

[11:06] Ginette Pinazzo: Hi Force

[11:06] Blondin Linden: Ah, I see it Qie

[11:06] Blondin Linden: I'll let you know if TOrley comes knocking :)

[11:07] Qie Niangao: (good... cuz I have no clue how to coherently quote a bunch of disjointed tweets)

[11:07] Lias Leandros: this way we can stay on topic

[11:07] Ginette Pinazzo: you are not the one to set the agenda lias......

[11:07] Lias Leandros: Agenda for Zindra Community Meeting

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In an attempt to bring some clarity and follow-through to the year-long meetings we have been having with Blondin Linden I am making some attempt to develop an agenda we can stick to at meetings and continue working on.

ZINDRA COMMUNITY MEETINGS

Goal: Increase new player traffic in Zindra and to address and find solutions to the Zindra continent search firewall issues.

1. The Adult Landing Page: We never heard of this. What is it? Last week you mentioned 'it's almost done'. When will it be done.

2. 4 Sims for Adult Events: Two residents have been speaking to you indiviually about using the 4 sims we used for the Expo for some of their projects. Please clrify:

a) Are you offering them these sims year round?

b) Will there be adult rated resident run events allowed on these sims?

c) In what way would the use of these four sims address the Zindra search firewall issues w

[11:07] Lias Leandros: anyone can Ginette

[11:07] Lias Leandros: its justthat an agenda would be helpfu

[11:08] Qie Niangao: I do think item 1 is probably a simple clarification that we missed last week

[11:08] Forceme Silverspar: That's not an agenda, that's questions.

[11:08] Blondin Linden: i think those are fairly good topics

[11:08] Blondin Linden: I';m ok with addressing them

[11:08] Ginette Pinazzo: we it was decided by blodion that half this meeting would cover the island..thje otehr half...the Zindra Sim..that was decoided last week

[11:08] Lias Leandros: some items were introduced last week that many of us never heard of

[11:08] Lias Leandros: we need to track these conversations a little better

[11:08] Forceme Silverspar: Then no 2 is sorted....

[11:09] Forceme Silverspar: Check ya logs.

[11:09] Lias Leandros: Needs ore clrificaion

[11:09] Lias Leandros: jst wil take one minute

[11:09] Lias Leandros: Some of us could nto see clear information in the transcripts

[11:10] Ginette Pinazzo: blondin..are we discussing the island first or the sim first?

[11:10] Lias Leandros: So what is a 'Adult Landing Page"?

[11:11] Lias Leandros: We can change the order of the agenda

[11:11] Lias Leandros: thats no issue

[11:13] Blondin Linden: so I can start by clarifying the Landing Page. Basicially, it'll be a pop up that people see on the internet and when people click it, it'll take them to a page that has a short video about adult stuff in SL. THe video is similar to the WHAT IS video thats on the main SL page and was shot a few weeks ago by Illclan. It'll take them through reg (sorry not adult verification in reg though I am pushing for it) and will drop them at Podyan. End of last week, I had COncierge clone arapaima and I'm gunn turn that into 'Verification Station'. It'l be Moderate rated so new users will be able to land there and it's in Podyan so that it's still close to Zindra

[11:14] Lias Leandros: Ok so its a marketing solution for the continent of Zindra that Linden ab developed

[11:15] Qie Niangao: oh, interesting... a Moderate sim right off the Zindra coast. Very useful, actually.

[11:15] Blondin Linden: its marketing for adult content

[11:16] Lias Leandros: And yet we meet here for a year and we had no inout in it at all

[11:16] Lias Leandros: I understand why

[11:16] Xaria Mistwallow: Thank Youuuuuuuuuu!!

[11:16] Xaria Mistwallow: blondin :)

[11:16] Innula Zenovka: hi all ..sorry i'm late.. could anyone let me have a notecard of the last 15 minutes?

[11:16] Lias Leandros: there are many fractions here

[11:16] Forceme Silverspar: Where?

[11:16] Ginette Pinazzo: fractions or factions?

[11:17] Lias Leandros: So you feel there is no way to address the search firewall and traffic issue on a communty levl Blondin?

[11:17] Blondin Linden: Well, Lias, when i get a first draft done of the information, I'd love for you to give feedback on how to improve it

[11:18] Lias Leandros: But you dismissed the entire Zindra Sim 'feedback' and erected a mall and a moat and then said it was final

[11:18] Ginette Pinazzo: I love how lias enters here and overruns the conversation as normla with an agenda. overlooking anything else we;ve been talking about.. its amazing

[11:18] Lias Leandros: Im not so concerned about WHO does what

[11:19] Lias Leandros: just that the issues are adressed effectively

[11:19] BBQBill Odriscoll: Your both right. Lets appoint someone to do an agenda. Everyone gets their topic to them by Friday

[11:19] Lias Leandros: not that we meet here for another year and not make any progress

[11:19] BBQBill Odriscoll: The agenda is a good idea,

[11:19] Blondin Linden: the structure was final. Im open to ideas on how to fill it with content

[11:19] Lias Leandros: the only progress you are on board with is that video and start page

[11:19] Lias Leandros: at least there is that

[11:19] Blondin Linden: the second issue Lias wanted to talk about was the 4 regions for the events

[11:19] Lias Leandros: but this community meeting had no part in that decision

[11:20] Ginette Pinazzo: b;pndin.....last week myou suggested I post a proposal on a prim here..instead, I posted in on the zindracommunity site...for all to read...about the island

[11:20] Blondin Linden: so I assume we're talking about the 4 regions that we used during the expo and not somewhere else yes?

[11:20] Lias Leandros: island(S)

[11:20] BBQBill Odriscoll: I dont see that the community's role is define

[11:20] Forceme Silverspar: Yes.

[11:20] Blondin Linden: im sorry Ginette, I didnt see it

[11:20] Innula Zenovka: thank you for the clarification of the Adult Landing Page.. i was going to ask about that..

[11:20] Blondin Linden: :(

[11:20] Qie Niangao: (sorry: what / where is the zindracommunity site?)

[11:21] Ginette Pinazzo: there are 2 item I know aboutout there...my 'proposa; about proposal' for the island...and then a specific proposal Force has started for a, specific event

[11:21] Blondin Linden: if you line to it, Ill take a look

[11:21] Lias Leandros: 2. 4 Sims for Adult Events: Two residents have been speaking to you indiviually about using the 4 sims we used for the Expo for some of their projects. Please clrify:

[11:21] Ginette Pinazzo: http://www.zindracommuity.com...its the recent posting

[11:21] Lias Leandros: not the resident proposals

[11:22] Lias Leandros: what Blondin is telling us Linden Lab will want these four sims for

[11:22] Blondin Linden: Lias, before we use it for future events, we should get some type of process in place for rules, expecations etc

[11:22] Blondin Linden: ah. Well, someone had wanted to auction the land but I told them to wait until we figured out what to do with it

[11:22] Lias Leandros: But why is Linden Lab giving these four sims for events in Zindra?

[11:22] Ginette Pinazzo: that process is what I was trying to address in the proposal, blondin...Id liek us to look at it point by point

[11:23] Blondin Linden: ok

[11:23] Blondin Linden: let me pull it up GInette

[11:23] Ginette Pinazzo: ok

[11:23] Lias Leandros: why is Linden Lab looking at these proposals for adult events in Zindra on Linden Owned sims?

[11:23] Ginette Pinazzo: theer are basically 8 points, then a follow up section....I tried to keep it simple

[11:23] Blondin Linden: link doesnt seem to be opening

[11:23] Qie Niangao: (to avoid a typo in the URL, try http://zindracommunity.com/ )

[11:24] Blondin Linden: let me try again

[11:24] Ginette Pinazzo: thanks Qie

[11:24] Blondin Linden: ok. here we go

[11:24] Blondin Linden: Point 1:

1. Anyone can submit a proposal to LL for a large event that will take place on 'Zexpo Island'

[11:24] Innula Zenovka: Blondin, at some point during the meeting -- not now necessarily -- could you tell us if you were able to follow up on that message i sent you about https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/WEB-1814 ? You said you'd ask Alexa for an update -- the search bug in Viewer 2 that makes it difficult to search for anything other than General, no matter what your preferences and account status?

[11:24] Lias Leandros: ZINDRA COMMUNITY MEETINGS

Goal: Increase new player traffic in Zindra and to address and find solutions to the Zindra continent search firewall issues.

[11:25] Lias Leandros: I think we can agree those are the two reasons we meet here for a year

[11:25] Blondin Linden: the term 'large event' leaves it open to interpretation. was that intended? Who decides? me?

[11:25] Forceme Silverspar: We have been told by Blondin several times, the firewall issue is not something that can be dealt with in these OH meetings.

[11:25] Ginette Pinazzo: intended to be vague and judged by LL

[11:25] Ginette Pinazzo: lareg enought o warrant PR efforts

[11:25] Lias Leandros: Its not events that are the concern. Its great Linden Lab wants to partner on adult ewvents

[11:26] Blondin Linden: apologies if these get adressed in a later point :)

[11:26] Lias Leandros: but who will see them?

[11:26] Lias Leandros: the firewall issue is not addressed

[11:26] Forceme Silverspar: We know, but it is not smething that can be addressed here.

[11:26] Ginette Pinazzo: stoplias..can we get through and then you can criticize it after?

[11:26] Lias Leandros: That is the only reason we meet here Forceme

[11:26] Lias Leandros: Im not criticizing your proposal Ginette

[11:27] Blondin Linden: fair enough Ginette. You may get some push back from people wanting that to be clearer. Also - how should these proposals be submitted?

[11:27] Forceme Silverspar: The only reason we meet here is to address firewall issues? No.

[11:27] Blondin Linden: email? notecard?

[11:27] Lias Leandros: I just want to meet here for what we said we meet here for

[11:27] Ginette Pinazzo: read on blondin, read on

[11:27] Blondin Linden: k :)

[11:27] Lias Leandros: If Blondin wants to give folks 4 sims for Femdom and Adult events thats excellent

[11:27] Blondin Linden: point #2: 2. Events should be unique enough (unlike anything else in SL) to attract non-Zindrans who will take the trouble to age-verify and go to the event

[11:27] Lias Leandros: but then lets get back to the issues at hand

[11:29] Blondin Linden: ok. I'm gunna keep reading

[11:29] Blondin Linden: 3. Events should be 'big enough' to make it worth doing and get a lot of promotion

[11:29] Blondin Linden: again, 'big enough' is open to interpretation

[11:29] Ginette Pinazzo: of course

[11:29] Lias Leandros: 4 sims is big enough:P

[11:29] Innula Zenovka thought we were interested in getting traffic to Zindra -- I'm not bothered about whether my customers are new residents who've only just penetrated "the search firewall" or if they've been frquen

[11:30] Innula Zenovka: frequenting adult sims since day 1 so long as they buy stuff from me

[11:30] Blondin Linden: 4. if approved, the event is 'endorsed' by LL (exact level of endorsement can vary, but the event will take place on Zexpo Island.

[11:30] Lias Leandros: well many business rely upon new customers

[11:30] Ginette Pinazzo: I vbelieve this is one way to address that issue Innula

[11:30] Lias Leandros: .

[11:31] Blondin Linden: I think there will be a better word than 'endorsed' I'd need to pass that one by Marketing to get their input

[11:31] Forceme Silverspar: May I have 3 mins of your meeting Blondin just to bring you up to date with what I have done so far re the Zindra Island?

[11:31] Ginette Pinazzo: I am sure....its justa a way to say 'official' somehow

[11:32] Innula Zenovka: yeah.. and i'm not bothered about whether my new customers are new residents who've only just discovered adult content or if they're old accounts who've been adult verified for a year.. money is money and customers is customers

[11:32] Blondin Linden: there may be content or ...activities :) that some may be a bit ...squeemish about 'endorsing' :)

[11:32] Lias Leandros: a) Are you offering them these sims year round?

b) Will there be adult rated resident run events allowed on these sims?

c) In what way would the use of these four sims address the Zindra search firewall issues we have been meeting about for a year?

[11:32] Lias Leandros: So for the answer to 'b' then Linden Lab will allow adult events but wont really endorse them

[11:33] Ginette Pinazzo: wowo lias...can we get through this???? first you digets the information, then react..its caleld lisetning skills

[11:33] Blondin Linden: Lias) a) I dont see why not b) they should only be resident run events. Like the expo, it should be up to the community to plan and execute these c) thats beyond the scope of the convo

[11:34] Lias Leandros: Um GFinette our keyboards arent connected

[11:34] Blondin Linden: 5. Some events could feature Zindra content (such as Zexpo did) but many/most should focus on global content that is from outside Zindra, or would be of interest to non-Zindrans too.

[11:34] Lias Leandros: and we are getting thru a comunity meeting

[11:34] Xaria Mistwallow: im helping out with their project as well Blondin, I believe their goal, as forceme told me, is a good one

[11:34] Blondin Linden: I dunno about #5. I kinda wanna see it be primarily Zindra but what do others think?

[11:34] Xaria Mistwallow: so far I understand now it is a good value to all in SL

[11:35] Lias Leandros: It sounds great to promote their interests. A 4 sim gift would promote that

[11:35] Forceme Silverspar: Lias, don't taint my project with your views.

[11:35] Ginette Pinazzo: that could go eitehr direction, Iguess, blondin...the point wasd to leave open the possibility of bringiung in new 'blood' too.....

[11:35] Blondin Linden: i think its something thats unique to a mainland and soemthing that may help ZIndra compete with private islands

[11:35] Lias Leandros: Forceme your making a public presentation

[11:35] BBQBill Odriscoll: Excuse me.

[11:35] Lias Leandros: thats the chance you take

[11:35] Qie Niangao: Actually... I can see some value in getting critical mass by including other Adult merchants, from estates... if they'll cross-promote

[11:35] Ginette Pinazzo: also: not just 'adult' content, but anything that is uniique

[11:36] Blondin Linden: shout it out BBQ

[11:36] Innula Zenovka: well, as I was saying earlier, Blondin, I think promoting Zindra to people who're already interested in adult content is a good idea.. for the same reason that, if i made hair, i'd participate in The Hair Fair

[11:36] Lias Leandros: We were having these meetings because the SEARCH FIREWALL was the issue - people already into SL adult content arent effected by the serach firewall

[11:37] Blondin Linden: you all have points

[11:37] Forceme Silverspar: May I have 3 mins of your meeting Blondin just to bring you up to date with what I have done so far re the Zindra Island project?

[11:37] Blondin Linden: if you guys think #5 is good the way it is, Im happy with it

[11:37] Lias Leandros: I love the idea of four sims for adult events donated by Linden Lab

[11:37] Innula Zenovka: sorry, I thought this was the Zindra Office Hours rather than the "search firewall" subcommittee

[11:37] Lias Leandros: BUT

[11:37] Forceme Silverspar: Me too Innula.

[11:37] Lias Leandros: then do that and lets get back to the issues we have been meeting to resolve for a year

[11:38] Lias Leandros: You were mistaken

[11:38] Ginette Pinazzo: its meant to be a starting proposal, blondin..I expect it woudl eb change4d much

[11:38] Blondin Linden: no worries GInette, just thought we'd go through it for a bit

[11:38] Blondin Linden: 6. There are really two main types of events for this:

- New events that are created/produced by Zindrans

- Pre-existing events (that have some draw) that are 'hosted' by Zindrans

[11:39] Xaria Mistwallow: this project helps newbies also understand SL better, on the sexual part. like why they are not allowed to run around nakid for example

[11:39] Blondin Linden: can you explain a bit about the 'pre-exisiting events?

[11:39] Lias Leandros: Xaria how will you get the information to these noobies?

[11:39] Ginette Pinazzo: yes blondin....my point is: 2 types of events

[11:39] Xaria Mistwallow: or teaching newbiew how to actually have sex in SL when ever theylike

[11:39] Qie Niangao: It might be helpful, Blondin, if you could think about what the "failure criteria" would be: what would make LL pull back those 4 sims and auction them off (besides the US$14.4 K /yr tier)

[11:39] Ginette Pinazzo: 1. the type Zindrans invent...new events that are uniique....and 2:

[11:39] Zada Bury: greetings around, sorry for late

[11:39] Xaria Mistwallow: think it might be a good thing to add to both the SL website as sl wiki

[11:39] Lias Leandros: Hi Zada

[11:40] Ginette Pinazzo: events that al;ready exist in SL that are popular or intertsing enough we woudl want to host them

[11:40] Blondin Linden: interesting point Qie.

[11:40] Xaria Mistwallow: its basic info that is not suppost to be missing there

[11:40] Lias Leandros: Sex education added to the SL website

[11:40] Xaria Mistwallow: no, not the entire project

[11:40] Xaria Mistwallow: just the knowlage of the project + slurl

[11:40] Lias Leandros: well how is this going to reach noobies?

[11:40] Blondin Linden: ginette, like a Burning Life or an ...adult...SL Birthday :)

[11:40] Lias Leandros: its too adult for the Lindens to promote

[11:40] Xaria Mistwallow: so it isnt too much trouble for LL, but it isnt missing either

[11:41] Ginette Pinazzo: yes blondin...as if the islanmd we a convention center, sort of.....but still 'prooduced' by Zindrans

[11:41] Xaria Mistwallow: like promotion indeed

[11:41] Qie Niangao: Well, actually, a Birthday "fringe festival" might be good

[11:41] Lias Leandros: Burning Life and the Birthday got MohT - This will not

[11:41] Lias Leandros: Message of the day

[11:41] Lias Leandros: when folks log into Second Life

[11:41] Blondin Linden: hm. interesting

[11:41] Blondin Linden: ok

[11:41] Ginette Pinazzo: attarcting big evenst that we host can only help...it will eb a challenge getting them, but it could be worth it

[11:41] Lias Leandros: Again, I think its a wonderful project and if Linden Lab wants to give them the sims for it then great

[11:42] Blondin Linden: ah, here is where it gets interesting:

[11:42] Lias Leandros: but it has nthing to do with anything we have been discussing for a year

[11:42] Blondin Linden: 7. To propose an event, someone must meet the following conditions:

- Write Event name, brief description of event, its purpose and uniqueness (what makes it ‘unique’ compared to other events in SL already)

- Choose ideal date

- Indicate how many sims are needed (maximum 4)

- Show list of committed staff (a set number…5?) People who are confirmed as team members for the project. Their commitments must be validated, and their ability to work (daily) on the project would need to be ascertained. A mix of professional experience and willingness to learn/work as a team member must also be ascertained. Of course, the staff will likely become much larger, but a starting number of people should be enough to get the project approved.

[11:42] Innula Zenovka: Blondin.. so long as the promotional materials were suitable for General and Moderate or whatever they're called, would there be a problem promoting adult events from non-adult land?

[11:42] Xaria Mistwallow: it may not be something you want to show to all people, but when you get a account and you actually age verified yourself you should be able to find such info

[11:42] Xaria Mistwallow: it aint a event blondin

[11:42] Xaria Mistwallow: it is a staying thing that goes year round

[11:42] Lias Leandros: But Xaria we meet here because of age verification

[11:42] Lias Leandros: not that we want 4 free sims for adult events

[11:43] Lias Leandros: but if you get them thats great

[11:43] Xaria Mistwallow: it isnt a event in the end

[11:43] Xaria Mistwallow: so no reason to claim that

[11:43] Lias Leandros: huh?

[11:43] Innula Zenovka thought we met to discuss matters of interest to Zindra in general.. not just age verification

[11:43] Xaria Mistwallow: its something that needs to be here all year every year from now on

[11:44] Ginette Pinazzo: obviously blondin, that section could easily be evolved......but I thought soem level of commitment would be need to be shown for possible approval

[11:44] Lias Leandros: Well Im not really concerned what it is. If 5 people get control over 4 Linden owned sims then thats great for them

[11:44] Xaria Mistwallow: and what better if there are volunteers taking care of it

[11:44] Lias Leandros: forceme did we hear your proposal yet?

[11:45] Forceme Silverspar: I dunno why you keep telling us why we meet here, Lias. We all have our reaosns to be here.

[11:45] Blondin Linden: ill want to sit down with #7 and really try to hammer out some of these details

[11:45] Lias Leandros: we only have 15 minutes left

[11:45] Blondin Linden: I think a 1v1 with those who want to have an event there would be good

[11:45] Forceme Silverspar: No, you have not heard our proposal.

[11:45] Blondin Linden: :)

[11:45] Lias Leandros: yeah you do now

[11:45] Lias Leandros: get 4 free sims and do adult events

[11:45] Lias Leandros: thats great for you

[11:45] Forceme Silverspar: You do a proposal too!

[11:45] Lias Leandros: and I hope you get it

[11:45] Innula Zenovka: can we use some of the 15 minutes for an update on https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/WEB-1814 please?

[11:45] Forceme Silverspar: There are lots - seems like we need four proposals a year.

[11:46] Lias Leandros: I havent found out why Blondin is even endorsing giving 4 sims away

[11:46] Ginette Pinazzo: Force has been working on a great specific event that fits well with this scheme ..I hope she gets a chance to explain it after this

[11:46] Lias Leandros: I need the REQUEST FOR PROPOSAL before I write one

[11:46] Forceme Silverspar: Check ya logs, then Lias.

[11:46] Lias Leandros: Its not there

[11:46] Lias Leandros: I asked Blondin why he was giving these 4 sims

[11:46] Lias Leandros: no response

[11:47] Ginette Pinazzo: blondin, maybe we shoudl rush through the points on this so peopel can digets them later....and hear otehr matters

[11:47] Qie Niangao: ahem. so, is Forceme's event proposal on this site somewhere we should look at it?

[11:47] Forceme Silverspar: I am not discussing this any further with you Lias. You write a proposal if you want to write one, Let others write theirs.

[11:47] Lias Leandros: You can just give the notecard and we have the link also

[11:47] Blondin Linden: Im not 'giving them away' The idea is to provide the space for large community events

[11:47] Lias Leandros: Ok Forceme you havent discussed anything at all really

[11:47] Lias Leandros: I havent heard your proposal

[11:47] Innula Zenovka: that's the bug in V2 that can make it difficult for people search for anything other than general no matter what their preferences.. sort of a "search firewall" that's not supposed to be there

[11:47] Forceme Silverspar: Right.

[11:48] Lias Leandros: But why are you providing spoace for large community events that are behind the firewall and wont be promoted to non-aduylt verified people?

[11:48] Blondin Linden: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/WEB-1814

[11:48] Blondin Linden: I dont have an update unfortuantely

[11:48] Innula Zenovka: but they can promoted to non-adult verified people, Lias

[11:48] Forceme Silverspar: You have no idea where my project will be promoted.

[11:49] Lias Leandros: How Innula?

[11:49] Innula Zenovka: oh.. did Alexa not come back to you?

[11:49] Qie Niangao: (anyone running v2 can replicate WEB-1814... it's a *serious* matter for newbies, who will actually try to get to Search through the sidebar)

[11:49] Blondin Linden: I havent heard anythign back yet but I follow up right now

[11:49] Innula Zenovka: Lias, by producing promotional material that's suitable for display on non-adult land

[11:49] Xaria Mistwallow: why not joining forces and get it done together?

[11:49] Lias Leandros: If your project is adult events it wont be promoted to non-adult verified noobies Forceme

[11:50] Xaria Mistwallow: i really dont see why it wont be possible

[11:50] Lias Leandros: But Innula we can do that with our own business here in Zindra

[11:50] Xaria Mistwallow: working together gives both parties big advantages

[11:50] Lias Leandros: Linden Lab's marketingmachine can out do all of our efforts

[11:50] Lias Leandros: But if we just produce events LL made clear they will not promote we arent taking advantage of that marketing nachine

[11:51] Xaria Mistwallow: for us, we can do the project without worrying for the costs the sims are bringing along, actually giving the people their education

[11:51] Innula Zenovka: yeah.. and something that promotes Zindra as a whole, in addition to what we're doing individually, seems a good idea

[11:51] Lias Leandros: Xaria if Blondin says its possible then you get it

[11:51] Lias Leandros: so its possible

[11:51] Lias Leandros: but is it effective?

[11:51] Lias Leandros: not so much

[11:51] Innula Zenovka: Blondin. have you made it clear LL won't promote adult events?

[11:51] Ginette Pinazzo: blondin...clock's ticking! are we getting through this? haha

[11:51] Forceme Silverspar: Our project will be effective, irrespective of what LL does or does not promote.

[11:51] Lias Leandros: we hit one and a half agenda items

[11:51] Xaria Mistwallow: for LL: getting rid of most newbies that actually undress in PG zones and all others that get more educated so LL will have less AR's to clear up

[11:52] Lias Leandros: the rest will have to be saved for next week

[11:52] Xaria Mistwallow: Lias, i know Blondin for a very long time :p

[11:52] Lias Leandros: thats nice:-)

[11:52] Xaria Mistwallow: i know how often i can poke before he bites my finger of :p

[11:52] Blondin Linden: Innula, we did a bit of promotion for the Expo, so I dont see why we wont continue promoting

[11:52] Lias Leandros: he is just doing his job - I know

[11:52] Innula Zenovka: thank you, Blondin

[11:52] Blondin Linden: 8. Timeframes: the schedule of these events would be seasonal...every 3 months. This allows for enough planning time for a professional event. Less than 3 should not be taken too seriously! LL will negotiate with the proposer for the exact date on the schedule. In this way, a sensible annual schedule can be planned in advance.

[11:53] Lias Leandros: I adjustred my work schedule to be here so I just dont want to spend time on malls, moats and naked parties

[11:53] Xaria Mistwallow: he is indeed lias, just hope he gets to help us for this project, really can use the help

[11:53] Blondin Linden: so are you saying - every 3 months there will be a window for an event?

[11:53] Xaria Mistwallow: not for us specifically, but for everyone in SL

[11:53] Ginette Pinazzo: yes blondin, that is my suggestion to start with

[11:53] Blondin Linden: March, June, Sept, Dec?

[11:53] Forceme Silverspar: No... blocks of 3 months.

[11:53] Blondin Linden: what do people think?

[11:53] Forceme Silverspar: Wlelyes...

[11:53] Lias Leandros: Well like I said Xaria if you and your group get to run 4 sims for free thats great for you all

[11:54] Blondin Linden: so quarterly

[11:54] Forceme Silverspar: Yes.

[11:54] Forceme Silverspar: Exactly.

[11:54] Ginette Pinazzo: yes quarterly

[11:54] Lias Leandros: So - Adult Events on 4 Sims quarterly - Sims provided by Linden Lab but events not promoted by Linden Lab

[11:54] Ginette Pinazzo: if you read the final points, I elaborate

[11:54] Xaria Mistwallow: well... its Forceme's idea, i just try to get it all done and working since her idea is great

[11:54] Forceme Silverspar: Yes Lias. Get writing

[11:55] Lias Leandros: writing what?

[11:55] Blondin Linden: ONE YEAR LATER

If seasonal works out, this plan could move to a more frequent schedule for the next year. Since many events won't need all 4 sims, there could be some 'overlap' as some events are being built at different 'phases' simultaneously.

[11:55] Innula Zenovka: lias, Blondin just said, "we did a bit of promotion for the Expo, so I dont see why we wont continue promoting"

[11:55] Blondin Linden: lets see how that first year works out :)

[11:55] Forceme Silverspar: You were here last week, weren't you Lias?

[11:55] Lias Leandros: free sims for adult events in the continent of Zindra

[11:55] Lias Leandros: well if he gives it then take it

[11:56] Qie Niangao: I'm a little unsure about the duration of the events themselves... are we thinking week- or two-week-long sorts of events?

[11:56] Forceme Silverspar: He will take it if he only gets crap proposals.

[11:56] Lias Leandros: then perhaps we can get back to the search firewall issue and marketing Zindra to non adult verified people

[11:56] Lias Leandros: Then forceme seems as if he has what he needs:P

[11:56] Ginette Pinazzo: I was happy to see that Force ran with this seasonal proposal idea and gathered peopel to propose a specific event..I read her event idea and love dit

[11:56] Blondin Linden: Qie, a week at least I would think

[11:56] Forceme Silverspar: Blondin must have said a zillion times, firewall issue is not an issue we can address here.

[11:56] Ginette Pinazzo: Qie.....one thing when I said large events...I meant lareg duration too, ideally

[11:57] Lias Leandros: Ok since we are out of time - there can be some answers about what is going on the sim of Zindra next week

[11:57] Qie Niangao: okay... but that week-or-two seems practical... having something run the full duration, up to the next event... that's something different, and not sure it could work. so that's why I asked

[11:58] Blondin Linden: sure. We'll talk about ZIndra next week

[11:58] Ginette Pinazzo: its a great question Qie....I assume 3 monthds total and most of that woudl be build up

[11:58] Blondin Linden: and I'll take another swipe at the proposal and provide some more comments

[11:58] Innula Zenovka: Blondin, while I realise you're a busy guy, and also the "go to guy for Adult content", as i think you put it a few weeks ago, would you consider holding special hours -- perhaps at a time more convenient for Lias' work schedule, devoted to "the search firewall" which people from both Zindra and Adult private estates could attend to discuss that particular topic?

[11:58] Xaria Mistwallow: forceme, give blondin a notecard with the FULL explanation of the idea you told me. think he will understand better then what we are trying to do

[11:59] Lias Leandros: This meeting is dedicated to the search firewall- no other meeting in SL is

[11:59] Lias Leandros: If you have copies of the agendas from when we started this - that is all we were working on

[11:59] Forceme Silverspar: yeah, I will get him something... brief on a notecard.

[12:00] Blondin Linden: Innula, let me try and get some info on the Jira. It's been imported from external (Pjira) to our internal one so its a matter of finding out details

[12:00] Forceme Silverspar: This meeting is not dedicated to search firewall.

[12:00] Innula Zenovka: great.. thank you, Blondin

[12:00] Lias Leandros: It was

[12:00] Lias Leandros: now its free sims for adult events

[12:00] Blondin Linden: ok all, I gotta jet

[12:00] Ginette Pinazzo: lias..do you have the ability to listen to soemthing and try to find positive ways to get involvced? that is what we need. Not redirection

[12:00] Blondin Linden: thanks

[12:00] Lias Leandros: that do not impact the search firewall issue

[12:00] Qie Niangao: Blondin, one thing about the Podyan info and landing page: if at all possible, make it multi-lingual

[12:00] Qie Niangao: thanks Blondin